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this is ross coulthard and you are

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listening to that ufo podcast

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hi everyone and welcome back to that ufo

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podcast it's a breakdown for the i was

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going to say beginning of july but it's

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now the 10th of july my god the month is

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getting away from us dan is here with me

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dan welcome

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is this time dilation is time getting

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warped by the intense heat in the uk

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we'll get to that when we talk about tom

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delong's appearance on stevo's podcast

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uh time dilation but yes um on that it

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is extremely hot here in the uk to the

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point i cannot sit in my normal

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recording space and let's not call it a

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shed it is like it would be like

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recording in a sauna that's having the

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air sucked out of it so if there's a

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slight echo on this one or the sound

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sounds a little bit different just for

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this recording because we couldn't fit

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in anybody else over the next few days

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and we really wanted to do it we were

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getting into trouble for off of

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listeners for not having done this yet

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and i have moved into the kitchen so if

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you are watching on youtube there will

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be no video for this one apologies but

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you do not need to see my kitchen trust

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me um it is an absolute mess with kids

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stuff everywhere um but we're getting it

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done and that it'll be back to normal

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audio quality for the next one anyway

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done a lot to get through for this one

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because it's actually it's actually been

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almost a month since we recorded a

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breakdown um wow time does go by fast it

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does um

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a lot to get through i've got down here

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among other things we're going to talk

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about the brazilian hearings lou

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stevo's podcast the ndaa language uh

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roswell at the end and there's some

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which will which we'll get to so we'll

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kick off with a little bit on the

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brazilian hearings then

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they happened um on the 24th of june so

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as we record this almost three weeks ago

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and this was an event that we've known

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has been coming for some time um it

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wasn't like the us hearings it wasn't as

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official in terms of the representation

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and who was there it wasn't senators

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congress men and women it was officials

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more of a citizen type hearing that we

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had in 2001 as opposed to the the us

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it was overseen by brazilian senator

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eduardo gerald um who also helped

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organize the event and the speakers like

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i say were made up of researchers

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of the event and there was a far more

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it's been quite hard i think for people

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what exactly went on at the hearing it

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well done to the couple of folks on

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twitter who who tried to transcribe the

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the event and there's a bit of a

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to those folks who've done that and i

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now available if people want to go back

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and watch the replay um and it's

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relatively they're relatively okay the

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subtitles can can work out my accent

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basics and the highlights um

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straight off the back dan

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uh one thing that was a bit of a

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controversy afterwards was louie lozando

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that was meant to be played at the event

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uh that didn't happen

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vinnie on disclosure team and he

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became untenable to wait for the video

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hearings and things like that and they

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very interesting yeah yeah i'll get back

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to ronnie on that because you know there

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might have been something that he didn't

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again and because i've not said you know

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nothing juicy but there may have been

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directly that maybe didn't want certain

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everyone was expecting you know robert

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really odd you know that i've received a

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text message that's very chris mellon on

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any more about that then i am chasing

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something up if we can get any more on

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it but i mean it's it's come and gone

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to this one as much as we'd like

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it seems that it's very much been a

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massive recap of brazil's history in the

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explanations individuals who have been

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ellipses of what's next how to

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facilitate this conversation forward

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there was no and i think we said

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and pictures and it wasn't ever going to

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did that have any level of success

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different places that it it kind of made

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the right people ask questions that the

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officials that were present the

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taking notes for the whole time um so it

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certainly seems that they're interested

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something tangible ronnie himself said

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that he feels like it's going to uh but

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something that was mentioned that um

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forces to discuss the issue and uh

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rubio gallego amendment may be submitted

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for approval by congress so at the

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this is what he's hearing this is what

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and can can this be moved forward into a

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more official phase and

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an approach and there are some uh cases

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mentioned dan right now that uh you've

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got a lot of detail on as well if people

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do want to go digging into the hearings

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to hear a bit more

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there was a few controversial ones as

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described as the woo cases yeah but

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it's part of the culture there it's very

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different to hear i experienced a little

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taste of that when i was in colombia and

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people are a lot more open to talking

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about what we would deem woo as just a

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and i'm kind of glad that they including

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them because for better or worse they

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you know taken out of the pile so the

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it's called the knight of the ufos and

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the brazilian government actually have

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an official website on this which we'll

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put in the show links so you can go in

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and you can read it you can see the

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photos but there were at least 21

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confirmed ufos um detected by military

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kilometers in size and one of them was

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chased by a civilian aircraft uh that

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had an air force

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kernel in it and armed jets were

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scrambled to pursue uh you know what we

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would call the phenomena and they say

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that it displayed intelligent behavior

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by avoiding the the fighter jets um and

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kind of

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i guess the word would be jamming uh

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their radars

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their airport did a press conference on

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it and a report and they're all

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available to the public and they're all

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on the the

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link in the description

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then we have the collars incident uh

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which is known as operation so so this

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was in 77 and there was an official

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investigation done on this where

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basically a lot of civilians were being

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attacked and injured

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by various different things you know

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balls of light craft things like that

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there were a lot there's a lot of

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confidential information uh including

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like pictures videos that was actually

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released by the commander who kind of

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did a whistleblower moment

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uh colonel hollander

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in in 1997 and he killed himself days

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after revealing it sadly so i loved

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seeing that

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put here because that gentleman clearly

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you know put his

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life on the line

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uh whether you want to go into

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conspiracies or not it's very

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interesting that it's there then we have

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the acre assault in 2014 this was a wave

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of ufo attacks that occurred on the

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indigenous tribes of the amazon one

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reported one document reports a silver

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craft landing in the center of a tribe

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shooting light beams that injured a lot

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of people including a pregnant woman

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who was killed there were investigations

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done by uh the policies federale which

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is basically the brazil's fbi

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and they concluded that although they

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can't confirm the story

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the

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of daily habits and rituals and things

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like that so again that that that will

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make me think of secret machines in the

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cargo cults and how these sightings can

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have a deep effect on people's everyday

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lives

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the next one

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was a trinidad island case in 57 this

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involved naval officers and a whole ship

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crew on leaves seeing the disc disappear

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into the ocean um or it came out of the

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ocean circled around them a bunch of

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times and went back into the ocean there

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were three pictures taken that were

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shown

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and classified naval documents were

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later released to kind of confirm it

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again one of these ones where clearly it

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happened there were a lot of officials

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that saw it

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but where did where do they go from here

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you know they almost needed help from

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you know nasa and the special space

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satellites and things like that to look

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at that area

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let me ask you what next then fro from

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all of this data and these presentations

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and the people involved what do you see

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happening are we going to get those

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official hearings

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or is it a case that we may have to wait

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on other countries doing similar to to

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build that momentum for for folks to get

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involved

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i feel like other countries are going to

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kind of come and add to the snowball

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here because when we're looking at cases

364
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outside of america we're suddenly

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dealing with realistically

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the possibility of it being us

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technology they pour money into this you

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know into black projects and so a

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triangle that's seen in brazil as a you

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know a uap or ufo or of me

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could just be you know project aurora or

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something like that or a stealth fighter

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that's being flown over so there's

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certainly that aspect where

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this is kind of begging to connect with

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the us efforts that they have been

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instructed to involve allies and

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partners but how deeply they're

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respecting that wish and actually

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carrying that out is anyone's guess

381
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yeah and grant cameron when i spoke to

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him last week and thank you to everyone

383
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for the feedback on the grant cameron

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interview um or grant cameron speaking

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with me now and again getting to ask him

386
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something it was a he's a font of

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knowledge and the information just kind

388
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of comes out doesn't it but it was it

389
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was excellent i love speaking to grant

390
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um

391
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he mentions that he's trying to arrange

392
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something similar in canada as well so

393
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again that would be that would be

394
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interesting to see who who would be

395
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involved in what would be discussed and

396
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again it's just adding to that that pile

397
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and weight behind the effort so fingers

398
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crossed we get we get a little bit more

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coming from that and we hear if brazil

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are going to pursue this in a more

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formal fashion as well um which would be

402
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impressive and well done to ronnie

403
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vernae for keeping people up to date

404
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over the last few months on this and

405
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he's definitely a twitter account you

406
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should be following um next up we were

407
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talking about u.s efforts and someone

408
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who was uh unveiled as the us the uap

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task force chief scientist

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it was none other than dr travis taylor

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himself of skinwalker ranch fame and

412
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of course

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other

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shows documentaries and

415
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uh a bit controversial for many because

416
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he's he's very much seen as a tv star i

417
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think to many because of the skinwalker

418
00:14:20,230 --> 00:14:18,000
ranch roll uh it was very timely because

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literally i had just interviewed travis

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days before george knapp

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announced this and travis you know

422
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basically had his revealing to the world

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that he was he was in this role

424
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um i spoke to george and colm kelleher

425
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about this that interview is about to

426
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drop on the free feeds in the next

427
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couple of days and two parts and i asked

428
00:14:41,670 --> 00:14:39,600
them do you think it's it's fair some

429
00:14:43,350 --> 00:14:41,680
people's reaction

430
00:14:44,470 --> 00:14:43,360
is a little bit tentative on this one

431
00:14:47,350 --> 00:14:44,480
because

432
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travis is a very charismatic individual

433
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and you see that i think on the showdown

434
00:14:53,110 --> 00:14:51,680
don't you that he's you know he's really

435
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good at explaining stuff and dumbing

436
00:14:57,030 --> 00:14:54,959
down but to be fair and this has no

437
00:14:59,509 --> 00:14:57,040
slight on him he's very good at playing

438
00:15:01,910 --> 00:14:59,519
to the camera as well on what is still

439
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essentially a tv show about a scientific

440
00:15:05,670 --> 00:15:04,160
experiment that's going on so

441
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what were your thoughts on when travis

442
00:15:09,350 --> 00:15:08,000
got confirmed or announced as as the

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chief scientist

444
00:15:13,189 --> 00:15:11,360
i i was stoked to be honest because you

445
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you know you just spoken to him and a

446
00:15:16,949 --> 00:15:14,800
lot of the answers that he gave suddenly

447
00:15:18,310 --> 00:15:16,959
became a lot more interesting if he was

448
00:15:20,470 --> 00:15:18,320
involved in the official effort like

449
00:15:21,910 --> 00:15:20,480
talking about caffeine and adhd

450
00:15:23,670 --> 00:15:21,920
medication and the effect that has on

451
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the phenomenon i was suddenly thinking

452
00:15:29,110 --> 00:15:25,279
well they're looking at that in the ua

453
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ptf you know the uap task force um

454
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also watching skin water ranch now

455
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it's taken on a different feel when he's

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on screen because yeah you know he does

457
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play up to the cameras he's been a

458
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staple of some other shows on history

459
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where you know he's clearly being

460
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invited back because he's good at he's

461
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good at kind of protect for riding that

462
00:15:48,550 --> 00:15:46,000
glue in the team but

463
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there's no denying that travis is very

464
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qualified he's a very smart individual

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he has a whole bunch of degrees you know

466
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and

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just because you write science fiction

468
00:16:00,629 --> 00:15:58,480
it's not fair to just accuse him of

469
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having these biases and beliefs or to

470
00:16:04,230 --> 00:16:02,320
say because we all have those things but

471
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to say that he would let them affect his

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work

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travis

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even in the dod statement

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they said that he was part of the task

476
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force so there were other experts and

477
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things that he would consult there so

478
00:16:19,749 --> 00:16:17,920
you know what we don't want someone that

479
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consults experts when they need to like

480
00:16:24,629 --> 00:16:21,440
that that seems like the smart idea to

481
00:16:25,990 --> 00:16:24,639
me uh it's literally just that that bias

482
00:16:27,509 --> 00:16:26,000
piece that people keep hanging on to and

483
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i said the other day and everyone had a

484
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bit of fun with it where

485
00:16:32,790 --> 00:16:31,360
you know we all put we put a mug on a

486
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table without thinking about it and

487
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that's a bias right there that's a

488
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belief that we have that the table's

489
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going to hold the mug and maybe someday

490
00:16:41,350 --> 00:16:39,279
it'll do something different but it's

491
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still one that's just innate to us and

492
00:16:43,990 --> 00:16:42,880
it's sometimes good to be aware of those

493
00:16:45,990 --> 00:16:44,000
biases

494
00:16:47,430 --> 00:16:46,000
yeah i think with travis taylor if you

495
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take away the name

496
00:16:51,110 --> 00:16:49,440
and you take away the resume that says

497
00:16:53,110 --> 00:16:51,120
skinwalker ranch

498
00:16:55,990 --> 00:16:53,120
on there or any of those documentaries

499
00:16:57,749 --> 00:16:56,000
and you just list his academic academic

500
00:17:01,110 --> 00:16:57,759
you know qualifications

501
00:17:03,350 --> 00:17:01,120
his his papers his research and his you

502
00:17:04,949 --> 00:17:03,360
know list of peers and you said to

503
00:17:07,029 --> 00:17:04,959
someone how does that look for the

504
00:17:09,110 --> 00:17:07,039
resume of someone involved with the uap

505
00:17:11,270 --> 00:17:09,120
task force you would say yeah that's

506
00:17:12,710 --> 00:17:11,280
absolutely what you'd be expecting

507
00:17:14,390 --> 00:17:12,720
so i think

508
00:17:15,429 --> 00:17:14,400
to now know that he is that person

509
00:17:17,590 --> 00:17:15,439
that's a little bit like watching

510
00:17:19,829 --> 00:17:17,600
undercover boss or when you're watching

511
00:17:21,590 --> 00:17:19,839
skin walker ranch that oh there's like

512
00:17:23,510 --> 00:17:21,600
there's that guy and you know

513
00:17:25,590 --> 00:17:23,520
brandon fugle and others have confirmed

514
00:17:27,110 --> 00:17:25,600
they had no idea because travis taylor

515
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was under nda

516
00:17:31,190 --> 00:17:29,039
and couldn't have those discussions so

517
00:17:33,350 --> 00:17:31,200
maybe they had you know their own ideas

518
00:17:36,070 --> 00:17:33,360
and i know a few people in the ufo

519
00:17:38,150 --> 00:17:36,080
community have said to me since that

520
00:17:40,870 --> 00:17:38,160
they had their leanings or their

521
00:17:42,390 --> 00:17:40,880
thoughts that that might be who that was

522
00:17:43,669 --> 00:17:42,400
which is fair and people have their

523
00:17:46,789 --> 00:17:43,679
sources but

524
00:17:49,029 --> 00:17:46,799
um we all know now and uh for me

525
00:17:50,470 --> 00:17:49,039
it's interesting how we go forward from

526
00:17:52,470 --> 00:17:50,480
this and

527
00:17:54,789 --> 00:17:52,480
travis has opened himself up to a whole

528
00:17:57,110 --> 00:17:54,799
lot of scrutiny now which i'm sure he

529
00:17:59,270 --> 00:17:57,120
would have known and we have seen how

530
00:18:01,350 --> 00:17:59,280
especially on social media which travis

531
00:18:03,830 --> 00:18:01,360
to be fair isn't too active on

532
00:18:05,590 --> 00:18:03,840
how this is how this impacts and how

533
00:18:07,510 --> 00:18:05,600
people react to these people

534
00:18:09,669 --> 00:18:07,520
being involved in the ufo community and

535
00:18:11,430 --> 00:18:09,679
the ufo conversation again just to

536
00:18:13,350 --> 00:18:11,440
remind folks i had a listener emailing

537
00:18:15,350 --> 00:18:13,360
me today asking when the interview with

538
00:18:17,110 --> 00:18:15,360
professor simon holland was

539
00:18:18,870 --> 00:18:17,120
and i just had to let them know that you

540
00:18:19,990 --> 00:18:18,880
know as i've said on the podcast a while

541
00:18:21,270 --> 00:18:20,000
back

542
00:18:22,870 --> 00:18:21,280
and we'd lined up an interview with

543
00:18:25,270 --> 00:18:22,880
simon holland he was requested by

544
00:18:28,070 --> 00:18:25,280
several listeners to be a guest on the

545
00:18:29,190 --> 00:18:28,080
podcast um british based you know

546
00:18:31,669 --> 00:18:29,200
scientist

547
00:18:33,669 --> 00:18:31,679
interesting guy very intelligent getting

548
00:18:35,750 --> 00:18:33,679
involved in the ufo conversation and

549
00:18:38,230 --> 00:18:35,760
some of his youtube videos and he agreed

550
00:18:39,990 --> 00:18:38,240
to come on the podcast and because of

551
00:18:41,830 --> 00:18:40,000
what was happening on social media at

552
00:18:44,310 --> 00:18:41,840
the time and all the kind of toxic

553
00:18:46,230 --> 00:18:44,320
conversation and people arguing back and

554
00:18:48,710 --> 00:18:46,240
forward and the attacks

555
00:18:50,630 --> 00:18:48,720
he he declined and chose to cancel the

556
00:18:52,630 --> 00:18:50,640
interview not a slight on ourselves or

557
00:18:54,230 --> 00:18:52,640
the listeners but he just didn't want to

558
00:18:56,390 --> 00:18:54,240
be involved in that side of things which

559
00:18:58,470 --> 00:18:56,400
was really disappointing and you wonder

560
00:19:00,070 --> 00:18:58,480
how many others

561
00:19:02,070 --> 00:19:00,080
like a travis taylor who have stayed in

562
00:19:04,230 --> 00:19:02,080
the background could have potentially

563
00:19:06,710 --> 00:19:04,240
come forward but didn't

564
00:19:09,350 --> 00:19:06,720
because they see the reaction online and

565
00:19:11,669 --> 00:19:09,360
the keyboard warriors and arguing and

566
00:19:13,669 --> 00:19:11,679
the infighting and the bitterness

567
00:19:15,190 --> 00:19:13,679
and they just say no i don't need that

568
00:19:16,470 --> 00:19:15,200
and travis taylor could have very much

569
00:19:18,710 --> 00:19:16,480
just done that as well and we could have

570
00:19:20,150 --> 00:19:18,720
just kept guessing but i think it's it's

571
00:19:21,830 --> 00:19:20,160
one of those things you don't know what

572
00:19:24,789 --> 00:19:21,840
you've got until you don't have it

573
00:19:26,230 --> 00:19:24,799
anymore yeah and again

574
00:19:28,950 --> 00:19:26,240
people can go on about sock puppet

575
00:19:31,190 --> 00:19:28,960
accounts and others leaving ufo twitter

576
00:19:33,270 --> 00:19:31,200
but it would be great to see some people

577
00:19:35,830 --> 00:19:33,280
really involved again and we just don't

578
00:19:37,270 --> 00:19:35,840
have that necessarily at the moment uh

579
00:19:38,950 --> 00:19:37,280
because of kind of what's going on in

580
00:19:40,310 --> 00:19:38,960
the last year online so

581
00:19:41,590 --> 00:19:40,320
again i would just say to folks that

582
00:19:43,430 --> 00:19:41,600
when you've got someone like a travis

583
00:19:45,029 --> 00:19:43,440
taylor who potentially is going to

584
00:19:46,870 --> 00:19:45,039
become more accessible

585
00:19:48,310 --> 00:19:46,880
let's embrace it a little bit more and

586
00:19:49,669 --> 00:19:48,320
be you know constructive with the

587
00:19:50,950 --> 00:19:49,679
questions and

588
00:19:52,310 --> 00:19:50,960
and try and get them involved and

589
00:19:53,830 --> 00:19:52,320
encourage folks like this to come

590
00:19:55,669 --> 00:19:53,840
forward because it's the only way we're

591
00:19:57,190 --> 00:19:55,679
going to be able to progress those

592
00:19:59,830 --> 00:19:57,200
conversations and

593
00:20:02,230 --> 00:19:59,840
and get folks like aj stratton on

594
00:20:04,710 --> 00:20:02,240
twitter and instagram or you know doing

595
00:20:06,710 --> 00:20:04,720
reddit amas and things like that which

596
00:20:07,990 --> 00:20:06,720
years ago were never in the conversation

597
00:20:09,909 --> 00:20:08,000
but now you can literally have a back

598
00:20:12,390 --> 00:20:09,919
and forward conversation with your

599
00:20:13,510 --> 00:20:12,400
favorite football star or movie star or

600
00:20:15,190 --> 00:20:13,520
you know

601
00:20:16,789 --> 00:20:15,200
we've got the opportunity to discuss

602
00:20:19,669 --> 00:20:16,799
these things with real like i would love

603
00:20:21,270 --> 00:20:19,679
to have eric davis on twitter

604
00:20:23,190 --> 00:20:21,280
you know answering people's questions

605
00:20:26,710 --> 00:20:23,200
and having back and forwards and for all

606
00:20:28,789 --> 00:20:26,720
we know he he is on twitter but we just

607
00:20:30,549 --> 00:20:28,799
don't know it's him do you get what i

608
00:20:32,149 --> 00:20:30,559
mean dan yeah yeah yeah we're

609
00:20:34,390 --> 00:20:32,159
potentially missing out in a big part of

610
00:20:36,149 --> 00:20:34,400
the conversation here and it's a very

611
00:20:37,029 --> 00:20:36,159
real example of people propagating the

612
00:20:38,549 --> 00:20:37,039
stigma

613
00:20:39,990 --> 00:20:38,559
you know where over the past couple of

614
00:20:42,070 --> 00:20:40,000
years since the the new york times

615
00:20:44,310 --> 00:20:42,080
article that stigma has kind of been

616
00:20:45,669 --> 00:20:44,320
pushed away and it's not gone completely

617
00:20:47,669 --> 00:20:45,679
but

618
00:20:49,830 --> 00:20:47,679
pushing people away like this just keeps

619
00:20:51,350 --> 00:20:49,840
that in place it came up when eric

620
00:20:52,470 --> 00:20:51,360
weinstein was talking to mick west on

621
00:20:53,990 --> 00:20:52,480
theories of everything the other day

622
00:20:55,909 --> 00:20:54,000
which was a great conversation you know

623
00:20:57,430 --> 00:20:55,919
in terms of knowing what the other side

624
00:20:59,990 --> 00:20:57,440
is thinking and they were talking about

625
00:21:02,149 --> 00:21:00,000
the idea of debunking and kind of people

626
00:21:04,070 --> 00:21:02,159
almost being the ufo please say you

627
00:21:05,830 --> 00:21:04,080
can't have this conversation and all it

628
00:21:07,270 --> 00:21:05,840
does is it stops people coming forward

629
00:21:09,830 --> 00:21:07,280
it stops people telling us about their

630
00:21:11,190 --> 00:21:09,840
stories and their experiences even if

631
00:21:12,870 --> 00:21:11,200
they're telling you a story that they

632
00:21:14,230 --> 00:21:12,880
didn't really understand what they were

633
00:21:15,990 --> 00:21:14,240
seeing or something like that they're

634
00:21:17,909 --> 00:21:16,000
just not going to tell us whereas we

635
00:21:19,510 --> 00:21:17,919
want ryan graves out there we want alex

636
00:21:21,110 --> 00:21:19,520
to shrek you know how great would it be

637
00:21:22,470 --> 00:21:21,120
to have david fravor on twitter but we

638
00:21:24,789 --> 00:21:22,480
know what would happen

639
00:21:26,310 --> 00:21:24,799
people would be judgmental instead of

640
00:21:28,830 --> 00:21:26,320
curious

641
00:21:30,950 --> 00:21:28,840
there was a whole thing with the travis

642
00:21:33,990 --> 00:21:30,960
taylor reveal

643
00:21:35,669 --> 00:21:34,000
from science magazine as well where

644
00:21:38,470 --> 00:21:35,679
basically the journalist who wrote the

645
00:21:40,950 --> 00:21:38,480
article took a

646
00:21:42,789 --> 00:21:40,960
a pentagon statement and edited it and

647
00:21:44,549 --> 00:21:42,799
took the complete wrong part they kind

648
00:21:46,149 --> 00:21:44,559
of cut this you know whole paragraph

649
00:21:48,390 --> 00:21:46,159
down to one sentence to just fit their

650
00:21:49,669 --> 00:21:48,400
narrative and then that went out to god

651
00:21:51,750 --> 00:21:49,679
knows how many people because it's a

652
00:21:53,350 --> 00:21:51,760
respected magazine and unfortunately you

653
00:21:55,270 --> 00:21:53,360
know i'd say at least for me it damaged

654
00:21:56,950 --> 00:21:55,280
their reputation and they did issue a

655
00:21:59,190 --> 00:21:56,960
correction but it still really wasn't

656
00:22:01,350 --> 00:21:59,200
good enough and that is a journalist

657
00:22:02,950 --> 00:22:01,360
that we've seen repeatedly you know i'll

658
00:22:04,710 --> 00:22:02,960
kind of say the word journalist in bunny

659
00:22:06,549 --> 00:22:04,720
is there repeatedly just come out

660
00:22:08,070 --> 00:22:06,559
against people and it just makes you

661
00:22:10,549 --> 00:22:08,080
start asking questions as to whether

662
00:22:12,710 --> 00:22:10,559
there's a you know a very real effort to

663
00:22:14,470 --> 00:22:12,720
to stop this conversation happening yeah

664
00:22:16,149 --> 00:22:14,480
look at that like an agenda potentially

665
00:22:17,990 --> 00:22:16,159
and to be fair that that's something i

666
00:22:19,190 --> 00:22:18,000
ask george and comb about because they

667
00:22:21,830 --> 00:22:19,200
bring that up in the interview i had

668
00:22:23,830 --> 00:22:21,840
with them and they they both go off on

669
00:22:25,669 --> 00:22:23,840
that journalist about that piece and

670
00:22:26,470 --> 00:22:25,679
that it very much comes across as a hit

671
00:22:28,630 --> 00:22:26,480
piece

672
00:22:31,350 --> 00:22:28,640
and they were both calm especially

673
00:22:33,830 --> 00:22:31,360
mentioning how respected that science

674
00:22:35,750 --> 00:22:33,840
journal is and that it's in libraries

675
00:22:38,310 --> 00:22:35,760
around the world and a lot of very

676
00:22:41,270 --> 00:22:38,320
respected people read it and that the

677
00:22:42,870 --> 00:22:41,280
vetting done on the article is

678
00:22:45,190 --> 00:22:42,880
it's very strange

679
00:22:47,270 --> 00:22:45,200
and curious that it managed to get

680
00:22:49,350 --> 00:22:47,280
published with

681
00:22:51,430 --> 00:22:49,360
the tone and the errors that i actually

682
00:22:52,870 --> 00:22:51,440
had within it and like you say you can

683
00:22:54,789 --> 00:22:52,880
issue a correction but once it's out

684
00:22:56,149 --> 00:22:54,799
there in print it's out there yeah so

685
00:22:58,310 --> 00:22:56,159
you can't take those ones back from the

686
00:22:59,590 --> 00:22:58,320
library right and suddenly update them

687
00:23:01,510 --> 00:22:59,600
so there are going to be people out

688
00:23:04,630 --> 00:23:01,520
there even today even though that's been

689
00:23:06,390 --> 00:23:04,640
corrected and you know uh proven to be a

690
00:23:08,710 --> 00:23:06,400
fallacy there are going to be people

691
00:23:09,510 --> 00:23:08,720
reading that incorrect edited statement

692
00:23:11,510 --> 00:23:09,520
and

693
00:23:13,669 --> 00:23:11,520
for a journalist you know that word

694
00:23:15,909 --> 00:23:13,679
journalists who have edited a department

695
00:23:17,990 --> 00:23:15,919
of defense statement you know that's

696
00:23:20,390 --> 00:23:18,000
it's a very or possibly a very real

697
00:23:22,310 --> 00:23:20,400
example of an easily provable piece of

698
00:23:23,909 --> 00:23:22,320
the conspiracy you know you don't

699
00:23:25,110 --> 00:23:23,919
necessarily need guys in dark rooms

700
00:23:27,110 --> 00:23:25,120
planning this stuff out when you have

701
00:23:29,510 --> 00:23:27,120
journalists like that with an agenda

702
00:23:31,190 --> 00:23:29,520
yeah um and so i think it's fair to say

703
00:23:34,390 --> 00:23:31,200
from yourself and myself dan no

704
00:23:36,230 --> 00:23:34,400
complaints on travis taylor being the

705
00:23:38,630 --> 00:23:36,240
as involved as he is with the task force

706
00:23:40,950 --> 00:23:38,640
of reporting and and the efforts going

707
00:23:42,470 --> 00:23:40,960
forward shall we say yeah not at all i

708
00:23:44,070 --> 00:23:42,480
was watching the recent skidmore ranch

709
00:23:45,909 --> 00:23:44,080
where he you know travis is there

710
00:23:48,070 --> 00:23:45,919
shooting laser beams up at what he

711
00:23:49,029 --> 00:23:48,080
thinks might be an invisible thing in

712
00:23:50,870 --> 00:23:49,039
the sky

713
00:23:52,070 --> 00:23:50,880
and i was just filled with glee thinking

714
00:23:53,909 --> 00:23:52,080
i'm watching

715
00:23:55,750 --> 00:23:53,919
the guy who was heading up the science

716
00:23:56,870 --> 00:23:55,760
of the uab task force doing live

717
00:23:59,830 --> 00:23:56,880
experiments trying to figure out this

718
00:24:01,830 --> 00:23:59,840
phenomena that's stupidly cool

719
00:24:03,909 --> 00:24:01,840
it's very cool um and speaking of

720
00:24:05,190 --> 00:24:03,919
complaints then i set that one up for

721
00:24:07,110 --> 00:24:05,200
myself

722
00:24:09,350 --> 00:24:07,120
um we're going to talk about luella's on

723
00:24:11,269 --> 00:24:09,360
those and um ig complaint

724
00:24:13,029 --> 00:24:11,279
uh this is one that is kind of running

725
00:24:16,830 --> 00:24:13,039
in the background it's one that you

726
00:24:19,830 --> 00:24:16,840
followed a lot more closely than myself

727
00:24:21,909 --> 00:24:19,840
um what is happening with this at the

728
00:24:24,230 --> 00:24:21,919
moment and just to summarize what are

729
00:24:26,149 --> 00:24:24,240
the kind of main points or on

730
00:24:29,269 --> 00:24:26,159
on loo's complaint

731
00:24:31,510 --> 00:24:29,279
sure so so we have two things basically

732
00:24:32,470 --> 00:24:31,520
we have the

733
00:24:35,029 --> 00:24:32,480
dod

734
00:24:36,710 --> 00:24:35,039
inspector general investigation of the

735
00:24:39,590 --> 00:24:36,720
department of defense's handling of the

736
00:24:41,110 --> 00:24:39,600
uap issue over the years that's ongoing

737
00:24:43,029 --> 00:24:41,120
that was announced

738
00:24:44,630 --> 00:24:43,039
but on that day or we don't have the

739
00:24:46,390 --> 00:24:44,640
results for that but they always do

740
00:24:48,710 --> 00:24:46,400
public reports via their website so at

741
00:24:50,230 --> 00:24:48,720
some point we will see that go up um no

742
00:24:51,830 --> 00:24:50,240
idea when it's going to finish but it's

743
00:24:53,909 --> 00:24:51,840
been going a while so i can't imagine

744
00:24:55,830 --> 00:24:53,919
that it's going to take much longer then

745
00:24:57,190 --> 00:24:55,840
in a separate kind of

746
00:24:59,590 --> 00:24:57,200
document

747
00:25:01,269 --> 00:24:59,600
the day that was announced

748
00:25:04,149 --> 00:25:01,279
luella zondo submitted a formal

749
00:25:05,190 --> 00:25:04,159
complaint to the dodig

750
00:25:07,590 --> 00:25:05,200
and

751
00:25:09,029 --> 00:25:07,600
that apparently has led to you know an

752
00:25:11,750 --> 00:25:09,039
investigation

753
00:25:13,269 --> 00:25:11,760
against how they have handled lou

754
00:25:14,870 --> 00:25:13,279
nothing like that has been announced but

755
00:25:16,310 --> 00:25:14,880
i don't know if they would announce

756
00:25:17,590 --> 00:25:16,320
something so personal you know we we

757
00:25:19,590 --> 00:25:17,600
didn't necessarily hear about the gary

758
00:25:21,750 --> 00:25:19,600
reed investigation before

759
00:25:24,310 --> 00:25:21,760
that came to a head

760
00:25:26,390 --> 00:25:24,320
so it might be in that area but in a

761
00:25:28,789 --> 00:25:26,400
nutshell we have three people named in

762
00:25:30,470 --> 00:25:28,799
the complaint we have gary reed who we

763
00:25:31,350 --> 00:25:30,480
already know has been removed from his

764
00:25:34,149 --> 00:25:31,360
post

765
00:25:36,630 --> 00:25:34,159
we have susan goff who still is in her

766
00:25:38,230 --> 00:25:36,640
post as the spokesperson for the dod she

767
00:25:39,909 --> 00:25:38,240
got promotion in the time between when

768
00:25:41,750 --> 00:25:39,919
this was filed and we heard about it and

769
00:25:43,510 --> 00:25:41,760
then we have neil tipton as well who was

770
00:25:45,350 --> 00:25:43,520
lou's supervisor

771
00:25:47,110 --> 00:25:45,360
and all three of those supposedly

772
00:25:48,950 --> 00:25:47,120
contributed to

773
00:25:50,710 --> 00:25:48,960
several things so

774
00:25:52,630 --> 00:25:50,720
the report contains

775
00:25:55,190 --> 00:25:52,640
firstly a chronological

776
00:25:56,950 --> 00:25:55,200
listing of the events that lieu of lou's

777
00:25:58,470 --> 00:25:56,960
involvement in atip that's really

778
00:26:01,269 --> 00:25:58,480
interesting to read and i was messaging

779
00:26:04,789 --> 00:26:01,279
you as i was reading that part because

780
00:26:07,430 --> 00:26:04,799
it it really in detail explains

781
00:26:09,350 --> 00:26:07,440
away the confusion between osap and atip

782
00:26:11,430 --> 00:26:09,360
and what happened there with lou

783
00:26:14,070 --> 00:26:11,440
you could argue that lou was the head of

784
00:26:15,029 --> 00:26:14,080
osap for maybe like 10 minutes if that

785
00:26:17,029 --> 00:26:15,039
you know

786
00:26:18,950 --> 00:26:17,039
i think i explained it to you like i

787
00:26:20,870 --> 00:26:18,960
worked for apple retail

788
00:26:22,870 --> 00:26:20,880
and people would see that as apple but

789
00:26:24,310 --> 00:26:22,880
it's not part of apple inc so it's a

790
00:26:25,669 --> 00:26:24,320
different thing i can't say that i work

791
00:26:27,029 --> 00:26:25,679
for apple inc you know that kind of

792
00:26:28,789 --> 00:26:27,039
thing happens

793
00:26:30,070 --> 00:26:28,799
as soon as lou took control of that

794
00:26:32,870 --> 00:26:30,080
project he

795
00:26:34,549 --> 00:26:32,880
all the people got let go from osap and

796
00:26:37,029 --> 00:26:34,559
it was shuttered and they focused on

797
00:26:39,669 --> 00:26:37,039
atip and the military cases so it's safe

798
00:26:41,190 --> 00:26:39,679
to say that not only

799
00:26:43,029 --> 00:26:41,200
did he

800
00:26:45,190 --> 00:26:43,039
was he aware of the stranger aspects of

801
00:26:47,269 --> 00:26:45,200
things but he also realized how

802
00:26:49,990 --> 00:26:47,279
difficult they are to talk about um and

803
00:26:51,510 --> 00:26:50,000
to fund so he focused in on the thing

804
00:26:53,750 --> 00:26:51,520
that he could prove and that was all the

805
00:26:55,590 --> 00:26:53,760
military sightings with multi-sensor

806
00:26:57,669 --> 00:26:55,600
systems and things like that

807
00:26:59,590 --> 00:26:57,679
then we have a detail listed of the

808
00:27:02,149 --> 00:26:59,600
events and actions to substantiate the

809
00:27:03,830 --> 00:27:02,159
complaint uh all of which lou says

810
00:27:06,149 --> 00:27:03,840
resulted in great personal and

811
00:27:08,390 --> 00:27:06,159
professional challenges so these are the

812
00:27:10,230 --> 00:27:08,400
things where we've seen you know just

813
00:27:11,750 --> 00:27:10,240
these character assassination pieces

814
00:27:13,269 --> 00:27:11,760
appear in the media and things like that

815
00:27:15,190 --> 00:27:13,279
based on statements that were given by

816
00:27:16,710 --> 00:27:15,200
the pentagon that whether you agree with

817
00:27:18,710 --> 00:27:16,720
them or not they changed their

818
00:27:20,870 --> 00:27:18,720
statements from who did work with atip

819
00:27:23,269 --> 00:27:20,880
to he didn't work to hate it from it did

820
00:27:25,430 --> 00:27:23,279
look at ufos too it didn't look at ufos

821
00:27:27,350 --> 00:27:25,440
and this flip-flopping just damages

822
00:27:28,950 --> 00:27:27,360
someone's reputation and lou has always

823
00:27:31,430 --> 00:27:28,960
maintained that

824
00:27:33,110 --> 00:27:31,440
there's paperwork that shows the truth

825
00:27:34,789 --> 00:27:33,120
of this stuff and that the truth is on

826
00:27:38,230 --> 00:27:34,799
his side

827
00:27:40,230 --> 00:27:38,240
the third thing is that it points out uh

828
00:27:42,070 --> 00:27:40,240
the evidence that substantiates the

829
00:27:44,950 --> 00:27:42,080
claim that there might be a deeper

830
00:27:47,669 --> 00:27:44,960
conspiracy within the osd staff to

831
00:27:49,430 --> 00:27:47,679
circumvent dod policy rules regulations

832
00:27:52,389 --> 00:27:49,440
and perhaps even law and that word

833
00:27:54,310 --> 00:27:52,399
perhaps is used so again kind of

834
00:27:55,830 --> 00:27:54,320
pointing out the conspiracy that for

835
00:27:58,070 --> 00:27:55,840
whatever reason they're trying to stop

836
00:27:59,590 --> 00:27:58,080
this conversation happening

837
00:28:01,350 --> 00:27:59,600
like i say the complaint may have led to

838
00:28:02,549 --> 00:28:01,360
an investigation but we're not hearing

839
00:28:04,149 --> 00:28:02,559
that at the moment

840
00:28:05,510 --> 00:28:04,159
but the important thing is is there's a

841
00:28:06,549 --> 00:28:05,520
page right at the end of the document

842
00:28:08,230 --> 00:28:06,559
after all this stuff and i implore

843
00:28:11,190 --> 00:28:08,240
people to go read it it's about 60 pages

844
00:28:13,510 --> 00:28:11,200
long you read it in an hour or so

845
00:28:16,310 --> 00:28:13,520
but there's a little part where lou had

846
00:28:17,750 --> 00:28:16,320
to sign with his name and the date to

847
00:28:18,789 --> 00:28:17,760
say this is the truth and the whole

848
00:28:19,590 --> 00:28:18,799
truth

849
00:28:21,110 --> 00:28:19,600
so

850
00:28:22,950 --> 00:28:21,120
and he signed it

851
00:28:24,470 --> 00:28:22,960
and this this is an offense punishable

852
00:28:26,310 --> 00:28:24,480
by law because he's submitting this as

853
00:28:28,630 --> 00:28:26,320
an official document i think people need

854
00:28:30,230 --> 00:28:28,640
to realize the weight of that as well

855
00:28:31,990 --> 00:28:30,240
one height thing i'd like to highlight

856
00:28:33,669 --> 00:28:32,000
is that

857
00:28:35,510 --> 00:28:33,679
if there's anyone out there listening

858
00:28:37,669 --> 00:28:35,520
who has access to something called jwix

859
00:28:39,110 --> 00:28:37,679
which is kind of a shared drive in in

860
00:28:41,110 --> 00:28:39,120
secure space

861
00:28:42,870 --> 00:28:41,120
take a look for something called the y

862
00:28:45,350 --> 00:28:42,880
project it's letter y and then just

863
00:28:48,470 --> 00:28:45,360
project according to the complaint that

864
00:28:51,430 --> 00:28:48,480
is where the atip files were so you'd

865
00:28:53,350 --> 00:28:51,440
see things like the the ufo videos that

866
00:28:55,190 --> 00:28:53,360
alluded to and things like that i know

867
00:28:56,389 --> 00:28:55,200
you can't tell us whether you know you

868
00:28:58,630 --> 00:28:56,399
see this stuff or not but just go look

869
00:29:00,310 --> 00:28:58,640
for yourself if you can

870
00:29:02,149 --> 00:29:00,320
no there's not much more to be said

871
00:29:04,470 --> 00:29:02,159
about it because it's an active

872
00:29:06,710 --> 00:29:04,480
complaint and we're now just waiting on

873
00:29:09,590 --> 00:29:06,720
the resolution of said complaint

874
00:29:11,029 --> 00:29:09,600
but one thing that as in the background

875
00:29:14,549 --> 00:29:11,039
and more and more people are starting to

876
00:29:15,990 --> 00:29:14,559
discuss online is that lou has his book

877
00:29:18,310 --> 00:29:16,000
which we're still not sure if it's going

878
00:29:19,750 --> 00:29:18,320
to be this year or next year we know the

879
00:29:21,510 --> 00:29:19,760
book itself goes through a vetting

880
00:29:24,389 --> 00:29:21,520
process much like skin walkers at the

881
00:29:26,710 --> 00:29:24,399
pentagon does that can take weeks months

882
00:29:28,389 --> 00:29:26,720
or or you know it could take years

883
00:29:29,830 --> 00:29:28,399
there's no real time scale with it

884
00:29:33,190 --> 00:29:29,840
because they could send it back and say

885
00:29:36,149 --> 00:29:33,200
change this etc um

886
00:29:38,630 --> 00:29:36,159
how do you think lou's book ties in with

887
00:29:41,110 --> 00:29:38,640
the the complaint in the background

888
00:29:41,990 --> 00:29:41,120
do you think that

889
00:29:43,909 --> 00:29:42,000
lou

890
00:29:45,590 --> 00:29:43,919
is going to be vindicated with what he

891
00:29:47,669 --> 00:29:45,600
puts in the book

892
00:29:49,110 --> 00:29:47,679
or do you think that in terms of the

893
00:29:51,350 --> 00:29:49,120
because i asked colm the question out

894
00:29:52,870 --> 00:29:51,360
right that can someone who writes one of

895
00:29:55,350 --> 00:29:52,880
these books

896
00:29:57,029 --> 00:29:55,360
lie in the book and colm said well

897
00:29:59,269 --> 00:29:57,039
technically yes

898
00:30:00,710 --> 00:29:59,279
if it's not something that and i'm not

899
00:30:02,549 --> 00:30:00,720
saying lou would be lying but just to

900
00:30:03,909 --> 00:30:02,559
clear that up people keep thinking that

901
00:30:05,510 --> 00:30:03,919
well whatever loop it's in the book will

902
00:30:07,590 --> 00:30:05,520
be truth and i would i would believe

903
00:30:09,029 --> 00:30:07,600
that as well okay fanboyish or whatever

904
00:30:11,350 --> 00:30:09,039
you think then you know he's writing the

905
00:30:14,070 --> 00:30:11,360
book you have to take it at face values

906
00:30:16,070 --> 00:30:14,080
yeah shameless but i asked holm that you

907
00:30:17,750 --> 00:30:16,080
know could someone put you know

908
00:30:19,669 --> 00:30:17,760
something that was false in there and it

909
00:30:21,669 --> 00:30:19,679
would get through the vetting process

910
00:30:23,350 --> 00:30:21,679
and he made the point well yeah because

911
00:30:25,350 --> 00:30:23,360
you don't necessarily know who's vetting

912
00:30:27,269 --> 00:30:25,360
it it could be a couple of people

913
00:30:28,870 --> 00:30:27,279
someone convert it go away then someone

914
00:30:30,950 --> 00:30:28,880
else comes in and during that time and

915
00:30:32,870 --> 00:30:30,960
they start vetting parts of it and you

916
00:30:34,630 --> 00:30:32,880
don't know what they know to be true or

917
00:30:36,310 --> 00:30:34,640
false depending on what what is in the

918
00:30:38,470 --> 00:30:36,320
book so there's a whole lot of things

919
00:30:40,710 --> 00:30:38,480
that things could slip through the net

920
00:30:43,430 --> 00:30:40,720
but do you see this book as being a

921
00:30:46,310 --> 00:30:43,440
piece that will vindicate and

922
00:30:48,230 --> 00:30:46,320
complement the ig complaint for lou

923
00:30:49,830 --> 00:30:48,240
yeah absolutely if i if i was the

924
00:30:51,909 --> 00:30:49,840
publisher i would include this ig

925
00:30:53,430 --> 00:30:51,919
complaint with the book if i could it's

926
00:30:54,870 --> 00:30:53,440
a public document so chuck it in there

927
00:30:55,830 --> 00:30:54,880
at the back it's a good reference

928
00:30:58,070 --> 00:30:55,840
document

929
00:30:59,750 --> 00:30:58,080
not to kind of go oh is lu telling the

930
00:31:00,710 --> 00:30:59,760
truth or not but just to give it's a

931
00:31:04,870 --> 00:31:00,720
very

932
00:31:06,310 --> 00:31:04,880
kind of read and it still

933
00:31:07,509 --> 00:31:06,320
contains an incredible amount of

934
00:31:10,389 --> 00:31:07,519
information

935
00:31:12,789 --> 00:31:10,399
so if the book reflects at all what's in

936
00:31:14,310 --> 00:31:12,799
this ig complaint it's going to be

937
00:31:16,149 --> 00:31:14,320
explosive

938
00:31:17,509 --> 00:31:16,159
and lou has alluded to on several

939
00:31:20,070 --> 00:31:17,519
interviews there's a very specific

940
00:31:21,029 --> 00:31:20,080
reason he's writing the book as well so

941
00:31:22,950 --> 00:31:21,039
i keep thinking about all these

942
00:31:24,630 --> 00:31:22,960
situations where you know he's gonna put

943
00:31:27,029 --> 00:31:24,640
someone's name in to get them to react

944
00:31:28,310 --> 00:31:27,039
or something like that and you know kind

945
00:31:29,990 --> 00:31:28,320
of canary in the coal mine type

946
00:31:31,430 --> 00:31:30,000
situation it's it's gonna be a real

947
00:31:32,789 --> 00:31:31,440
interesting time when that comes out

948
00:31:34,549 --> 00:31:32,799
because

949
00:31:36,389 --> 00:31:34,559
he's going to be given a lot of context

950
00:31:37,669 --> 00:31:36,399
and will finally kind of we've heard a

951
00:31:39,029 --> 00:31:37,679
little bit of his background what he

952
00:31:40,789 --> 00:31:39,039
might have done in afghanistan and

953
00:31:43,430 --> 00:31:40,799
things like that

954
00:31:45,350 --> 00:31:43,440
but we're gonna here it's always

955
00:31:46,870 --> 00:31:45,360
prose is always better you know the the

956
00:31:48,630 --> 00:31:46,880
book's always better than the film kind

957
00:31:50,630 --> 00:31:48,640
of thing in some cases but you know what

958
00:31:52,230 --> 00:31:50,640
i mean it's just more extensive we'll be

959
00:31:53,350 --> 00:31:52,240
able to hear lou's thoughts on things

960
00:31:55,029 --> 00:31:53,360
that happened

961
00:31:57,509 --> 00:31:55,039
everything about his relationship with

962
00:32:01,350 --> 00:31:57,519
jay stratton or axelrod as we've now

963
00:32:02,870 --> 00:32:01,360
found out uh to you know 99.9

964
00:32:04,310 --> 00:32:02,880
we're going to get a lot more detail and

965
00:32:06,789 --> 00:32:04,320
events that we know and a lot more

966
00:32:09,269 --> 00:32:06,799
context around all of these events so i

967
00:32:12,789 --> 00:32:09,279
i think it's going to be explosive and

968
00:32:14,230 --> 00:32:12,799
that it's designed to make someone react

969
00:32:15,830 --> 00:32:14,240
if you had to put a bet on it because

970
00:32:17,590 --> 00:32:15,840
people are asking online do you see it

971
00:32:18,310 --> 00:32:17,600
being this year or next year for the

972
00:32:21,190 --> 00:32:18,320
book

973
00:32:22,470 --> 00:32:21,200
next year me too yeah yeah i can't see

974
00:32:24,789 --> 00:32:22,480
it although christmas release would be

975
00:32:26,549 --> 00:32:24,799
lovely um there's a whole secret santa's

976
00:32:28,389 --> 00:32:26,559
done for them

977
00:32:31,350 --> 00:32:28,399
he delivered oh speaking of

978
00:32:34,230 --> 00:32:31,360
interdimensional dan good segway uh tom

979
00:32:36,870 --> 00:32:34,240
delong appeared on stevo's podcast uh

980
00:32:39,590 --> 00:32:36,880
stevo of jackass fame as many people

981
00:32:41,269 --> 00:32:39,600
will know him um we had his demons in

982
00:32:43,430 --> 00:32:41,279
the past but certainly turned his life

983
00:32:45,509 --> 00:32:43,440
right around and uh i didn't actually

984
00:32:48,470 --> 00:32:45,519
know he had a podcast although every big

985
00:32:50,070 --> 00:32:48,480
celebrity does now um tom delong

986
00:32:52,470 --> 00:32:50,080
and stevo being

987
00:32:54,070 --> 00:32:52,480
acquaintances chums mates as no surprise

988
00:32:56,549 --> 00:32:54,080
given their backgrounds and the time

989
00:32:58,470 --> 00:32:56,559
they both became famous

990
00:33:00,149 --> 00:32:58,480
blink when it too jackass of course they

991
00:33:02,310 --> 00:33:00,159
met and you know had you know

992
00:33:04,310 --> 00:33:02,320
affiliations um

993
00:33:07,350 --> 00:33:04,320
they talked about ufos quite extensively

994
00:33:09,269 --> 00:33:07,360
on the podcast and stevo is decent with

995
00:33:11,350 --> 00:33:09,279
his conversations very laid back very

996
00:33:12,950 --> 00:33:11,360
open and i don't think there was

997
00:33:14,630 --> 00:33:12,960
anything on there

998
00:33:15,830 --> 00:33:14,640
revelatory again i'll use that word

999
00:33:18,549 --> 00:33:15,840
because you've told me how to pronounce

1000
00:33:20,710 --> 00:33:18,559
it properly but i think i hope it's

1001
00:33:22,950 --> 00:33:20,720
wrong for both of us now

1002
00:33:23,750 --> 00:33:22,960
there's nothing particularly revealing

1003
00:33:25,269 --> 00:33:23,760
um

1004
00:33:27,990 --> 00:33:25,279
but i think if it's been a while since

1005
00:33:29,430 --> 00:33:28,000
you heard tom delong speak on ufos or

1006
00:33:31,509 --> 00:33:29,440
you've not heard anything and looking

1007
00:33:33,669 --> 00:33:31,519
for where to start it's probably not a

1008
00:33:35,750 --> 00:33:33,679
bad interview to jump into yeah because

1009
00:33:39,190 --> 00:33:35,760
he covers very much the same points he's

1010
00:33:40,470 --> 00:33:39,200
made in the past um again to run through

1011
00:33:42,070 --> 00:33:40,480
them without there's not a whole lot of

1012
00:33:43,350 --> 00:33:42,080
detail we can necessarily go into

1013
00:33:45,590 --> 00:33:43,360
because it's things we've discussed in

1014
00:33:48,389 --> 00:33:45,600
the past but you know time is parallel

1015
00:33:50,149 --> 00:33:48,399
not linear um they're not coming from

1016
00:33:51,669 --> 00:33:50,159
far away is kind of where he starts and

1017
00:33:53,110 --> 00:33:51,679
that's something he says more and more

1018
00:33:56,070 --> 00:33:53,120
as in they're not coming from other

1019
00:33:58,630 --> 00:33:56,080
planets or galaxies um and i think what

1020
00:33:59,990 --> 00:33:58,640
the producer or the co-host says or so

1021
00:34:01,990 --> 00:34:00,000
they're interdimensional and he says

1022
00:34:04,230 --> 00:34:02,000
yeah that that's it they're coming from

1023
00:34:07,909 --> 00:34:04,240
a different reality um or you know a

1024
00:34:10,149 --> 00:34:07,919
time parallel to others he uses the

1025
00:34:12,389 --> 00:34:10,159
analogy of or he says that imagine a

1026
00:34:14,310 --> 00:34:12,399
technological civilization at the end of

1027
00:34:15,909 --> 00:34:14,320
the technological cycle

1028
00:34:17,270 --> 00:34:15,919
whatever he means by that he says

1029
00:34:19,510 --> 00:34:17,280
imagine they could invent like a

1030
00:34:22,950 --> 00:34:19,520
submarine that could change its voltage

1031
00:34:25,669 --> 00:34:22,960
as is wording and materialize in our

1032
00:34:26,869 --> 00:34:25,679
reality that could be what we are seeing

1033
00:34:28,389 --> 00:34:26,879
um

1034
00:34:30,069 --> 00:34:28,399
i thought it was the philadelphia

1035
00:34:31,109 --> 00:34:30,079
experiment when he said that was you

1036
00:34:34,149 --> 00:34:31,119
know

1037
00:34:35,750 --> 00:34:34,159
yeah not the tom hanks movie

1038
00:34:37,349 --> 00:34:35,760
i used to always get those confused it

1039
00:34:38,950 --> 00:34:37,359
was really as a child growing up when

1040
00:34:41,030 --> 00:34:38,960
you hear of the philadelphia experiment

1041
00:34:43,430 --> 00:34:41,040
and then philadelphia with tom hanks and

1042
00:34:44,950 --> 00:34:43,440
denzel washington um yeah it's two

1043
00:34:47,270 --> 00:34:44,960
strange movies to mix up because they're

1044
00:34:49,909 --> 00:34:47,280
very very different

1045
00:34:53,270 --> 00:34:49,919
yeah good double feature um i digress

1046
00:34:55,430 --> 00:34:53,280
but yeah so tom very much wading in that

1047
00:34:56,470 --> 00:34:55,440
these aren't coming from other planets

1048
00:34:58,710 --> 00:34:56,480
um

1049
00:35:01,270 --> 00:34:58,720
i find that really interesting that he

1050
00:35:03,829 --> 00:35:01,280
he seems to stay away in conversations

1051
00:35:05,349 --> 00:35:03,839
now completely from talking about beings

1052
00:35:07,589 --> 00:35:05,359
traveling great distances in the

1053
00:35:09,829 --> 00:35:07,599
universe whereas you still have folks

1054
00:35:10,990 --> 00:35:09,839
like like chris mellon

1055
00:35:12,710 --> 00:35:11,000
who very much talk about

1056
00:35:15,829 --> 00:35:12,720
extraterrestrials

1057
00:35:17,430 --> 00:35:15,839
and yeah that hypothesis and

1058
00:35:19,430 --> 00:35:17,440
people come at it from different angles

1059
00:35:20,790 --> 00:35:19,440
that you would tend to think given the

1060
00:35:23,349 --> 00:35:20,800
relationship they've had in those

1061
00:35:25,430 --> 00:35:23,359
discussions well they'll all have a very

1062
00:35:28,069 --> 00:35:25,440
similar idea of what's happening yet

1063
00:35:29,910 --> 00:35:28,079
they all seem to have different

1064
00:35:31,510 --> 00:35:29,920
end games or comes in terms of their

1065
00:35:32,790 --> 00:35:31,520
conversation and what they think might

1066
00:35:34,870 --> 00:35:32,800
be going on

1067
00:35:36,310 --> 00:35:34,880
let me ask you dan i want to to discuss

1068
00:35:39,109 --> 00:35:36,320
this because we know we've talked about

1069
00:35:40,710 --> 00:35:39,119
it before tom delong and his his idea

1070
00:35:42,390 --> 00:35:40,720
that these are interdimensional given

1071
00:35:45,190 --> 00:35:42,400
what he's heard learned and the people

1072
00:35:47,270 --> 00:35:45,200
he's spoken to would you be disappointed

1073
00:35:49,190 --> 00:35:47,280
to find out you know capital d

1074
00:35:51,670 --> 00:35:49,200
disclosure happens tomorrow

1075
00:35:53,589 --> 00:35:51,680
uh that there isn't an aspect of other

1076
00:35:55,990 --> 00:35:53,599
stuff coming from from other planets and

1077
00:35:57,750 --> 00:35:56,000
galaxies you know if if we have the the

1078
00:35:59,270 --> 00:35:57,760
white house lawn conversation and the

1079
00:36:01,349 --> 00:35:59,280
world leaders come out and say you know

1080
00:36:04,150 --> 00:36:01,359
what yes there are non-human

1081
00:36:06,150 --> 00:36:04,160
intelligences controlling craft they're

1082
00:36:08,150 --> 00:36:06,160
coming here um but there's nothing

1083
00:36:09,750 --> 00:36:08,160
there's literally no evidence of other

1084
00:36:12,150 --> 00:36:09,760
planets being involved they're coming

1085
00:36:13,510 --> 00:36:12,160
from a different or a parallel timeline

1086
00:36:15,190 --> 00:36:13,520
would there be an element of that that

1087
00:36:17,430 --> 00:36:15,200
would disappoint you

1088
00:36:19,430 --> 00:36:17,440
a little bit only because of the way you

1089
00:36:21,190 --> 00:36:19,440
know i grew up gazing at the stars and

1090
00:36:22,470 --> 00:36:21,200
that's how the x-files was sold and

1091
00:36:25,910 --> 00:36:22,480
that's that's the idea i was

1092
00:36:27,510 --> 00:36:25,920
acclimatized to but at the same time and

1093
00:36:29,030 --> 00:36:27,520
stevo and tom talk about it during this

1094
00:36:30,870 --> 00:36:29,040
interview

1095
00:36:33,190 --> 00:36:30,880
it is almost like that's easier and less

1096
00:36:35,990 --> 00:36:33,200
scary to accept because the alternative

1097
00:36:38,069 --> 00:36:36,000
is is that our locks on our doors don't

1098
00:36:40,310 --> 00:36:38,079
work anymore our windows don't keep us

1099
00:36:41,430 --> 00:36:40,320
safe our houses you know they're they're

1100
00:36:44,069 --> 00:36:41,440
just

1101
00:36:46,390 --> 00:36:44,079
penetrable by by others that could be

1102
00:36:49,190 --> 00:36:46,400
watching us at all times and they they

1103
00:36:51,430 --> 00:36:49,200
have someone conversations in here about

1104
00:36:53,430 --> 00:36:51,440
uh fear feeding these other entities our

1105
00:36:55,430 --> 00:36:53,440
emotions be being able to yeah

1106
00:36:57,349 --> 00:36:55,440
essentially be a source of nourishment

1107
00:36:59,349 --> 00:36:57,359
for these and tom goes into a few

1108
00:37:02,710 --> 00:36:59,359
examples but

1109
00:37:04,470 --> 00:37:02,720
they they get a little scary and

1110
00:37:06,870 --> 00:37:04,480
when talking about misinformation tom

1111
00:37:08,790 --> 00:37:06,880
says the why of it could be that

1112
00:37:10,390 --> 00:37:08,800
people feel safe when they think that

1113
00:37:13,270 --> 00:37:10,400
this thing is super far away and it's a

1114
00:37:14,790 --> 00:37:13,280
big effort for them to get here so yeah

1115
00:37:16,710 --> 00:37:14,800
whilst disappointment

1116
00:37:18,230 --> 00:37:16,720
would be a part of it i actually think

1117
00:37:21,270 --> 00:37:18,240
it would make me a little more nervous

1118
00:37:22,870 --> 00:37:21,280
to have it confirmed that yeah my my

1119
00:37:24,390 --> 00:37:22,880
eyes don't necessarily work and show me

1120
00:37:26,230 --> 00:37:24,400
everything that's around

1121
00:37:27,990 --> 00:37:26,240
yeah it talks about the idea that you

1122
00:37:30,390 --> 00:37:28,000
know by creating our own reality through

1123
00:37:31,910 --> 00:37:30,400
our thoughts and feelings and you know

1124
00:37:33,510 --> 00:37:31,920
almost a little bit of you know people

1125
00:37:35,190 --> 00:37:33,520
say you create your own luck well maybe

1126
00:37:37,109 --> 00:37:35,200
you literally create what happens to you

1127
00:37:39,750 --> 00:37:37,119
by putting that out there he says once

1128
00:37:41,990 --> 00:37:39,760
you manifest an idea of something

1129
00:37:44,310 --> 00:37:42,000
that it goes out there it can happen in

1130
00:37:46,230 --> 00:37:44,320
different ways shapes and forms he uses

1131
00:37:48,550 --> 00:37:46,240
the example of you know a book moving on

1132
00:37:50,310 --> 00:37:48,560
a shelf if you see a book moving and you

1133
00:37:51,270 --> 00:37:50,320
think you see it move then you're like

1134
00:37:53,270 --> 00:37:51,280
huh

1135
00:37:55,270 --> 00:37:53,280
but if you see a book moving and it

1136
00:37:56,950 --> 00:37:55,280
really scares you and frightens you that

1137
00:37:58,550 --> 00:37:56,960
emotion manifests itself in a way that

1138
00:38:00,390 --> 00:37:58,560
that book will fly off the shelf and hit

1139
00:38:02,470 --> 00:38:00,400
you and then are you starting to think

1140
00:38:04,550 --> 00:38:02,480
about oh poltergeist activity is that

1141
00:38:07,750 --> 00:38:04,560
where that comes from and it's there's a

1142
00:38:09,349 --> 00:38:07,760
part of you manifesting that event

1143
00:38:11,109 --> 00:38:09,359
because you're connecting with something

1144
00:38:12,790 --> 00:38:11,119
else that you know thinking about the

1145
00:38:14,230 --> 00:38:12,800
way i can i thought of it was old

1146
00:38:16,069 --> 00:38:14,240
switchboards on phones you know when you

1147
00:38:18,150 --> 00:38:16,079
call the operator and they plug you in

1148
00:38:19,589 --> 00:38:18,160
and depending how you feel you're where

1149
00:38:21,750 --> 00:38:19,599
you're at in that moment in time and

1150
00:38:24,950 --> 00:38:21,760
your thoughts and experiences that you

1151
00:38:27,270 --> 00:38:24,960
get plugged into a channel and

1152
00:38:29,829 --> 00:38:27,280
there's a reaction and that book flying

1153
00:38:32,710 --> 00:38:29,839
off at you are not flying off at you and

1154
00:38:34,230 --> 00:38:32,720
even going down a really were a strange

1155
00:38:36,710 --> 00:38:34,240
rate of you know people having like

1156
00:38:37,990 --> 00:38:36,720
psychic powers or like telekinesis or

1157
00:38:40,310 --> 00:38:38,000
being able to move things with their

1158
00:38:41,670 --> 00:38:40,320
mind is that when you start tapping into

1159
00:38:43,270 --> 00:38:41,680
that kind of stuff because you're you're

1160
00:38:45,270 --> 00:38:43,280
willing it to happen

1161
00:38:47,910 --> 00:38:45,280
well it comes up or it's come up with

1162
00:38:50,150 --> 00:38:47,920
ce5 some people think that the lights in

1163
00:38:52,310 --> 00:38:50,160
the sky that people do in ce5

1164
00:38:54,390 --> 00:38:52,320
actually come from kind of raw i guess

1165
00:38:56,310 --> 00:38:54,400
psychic powers but the way that we speak

1166
00:38:57,990 --> 00:38:56,320
about them is is interesting we don't

1167
00:38:59,750 --> 00:38:58,000
have the language to talk about these

1168
00:39:00,870 --> 00:38:59,760
things when you were saying that about

1169
00:39:02,790 --> 00:39:00,880
you know you could plug into a different

1170
00:39:04,550 --> 00:39:02,800
switchboard and suddenly you know the

1171
00:39:06,470 --> 00:39:04,560
the reality where you wanted to be a

1172
00:39:07,910 --> 00:39:06,480
rock star is what you're in people talk

1173
00:39:09,750 --> 00:39:07,920
about timeline jumping and things like

1174
00:39:12,069 --> 00:39:09,760
that and the language makes it just

1175
00:39:14,790 --> 00:39:12,079
sound crazy but the way that tom's just

1176
00:39:16,950 --> 00:39:14,800
explain it is a bit more it's a bit more

1177
00:39:18,390 --> 00:39:16,960
sciencey and palatable yeah absolutely

1178
00:39:19,829 --> 00:39:18,400
it's the way that you communicate in the

1179
00:39:21,829 --> 00:39:19,839
idea if i say to you i can jump

1180
00:39:23,829 --> 00:39:21,839
timelines that sounds nuts because it's

1181
00:39:26,470 --> 00:39:23,839
been in sci-fi and everything like that

1182
00:39:29,589 --> 00:39:26,480
whereas if it's more of yeah you you

1183
00:39:31,510 --> 00:39:29,599
create your own block that's that sounds

1184
00:39:33,349 --> 00:39:31,520
better you know it sounds like

1185
00:39:36,069 --> 00:39:33,359
i can do work to affect that as opposed

1186
00:39:38,230 --> 00:39:36,079
to it just being this sci-fi magic

1187
00:39:40,150 --> 00:39:38,240
um on that he mentions that you know

1188
00:39:41,430 --> 00:39:40,160
monsters in california has been made and

1189
00:39:43,430 --> 00:39:41,440
we've talked about what we're both

1190
00:39:45,589 --> 00:39:43,440
looking forward to that coming out i'm

1191
00:39:48,390 --> 00:39:45,599
really interested to see how tom delong

1192
00:39:50,230 --> 00:39:48,400
puts these themes all together in one

1193
00:39:51,190 --> 00:39:50,240
movie that we know we're going to get

1194
00:39:53,109 --> 00:39:51,200
that

1195
00:39:55,030 --> 00:39:53,119
tdl humor

1196
00:39:56,870 --> 00:39:55,040
and that can a little bit of slapstick

1197
00:39:58,390 --> 00:39:56,880
immaturity at times we've seen that from

1198
00:40:00,470 --> 00:39:58,400
the trailer as well

1199
00:40:01,589 --> 00:40:00,480
but do you think tom

1200
00:40:03,270 --> 00:40:01,599
can

1201
00:40:05,510 --> 00:40:03,280
i turned along like i know the guy

1202
00:40:07,990 --> 00:40:05,520
that's tommed along mistered along

1203
00:40:10,390 --> 00:40:08,000
mr d through

1204
00:40:12,470 --> 00:40:10,400
monsters in california or other media

1205
00:40:14,630 --> 00:40:12,480
vehicles like this

1206
00:40:16,230 --> 00:40:14,640
can add to these theories do you think

1207
00:40:17,990 --> 00:40:16,240
he's going to success successfully put

1208
00:40:19,430 --> 00:40:18,000
out a vehicle that

1209
00:40:21,589 --> 00:40:19,440
not the general public who watch it

1210
00:40:24,150 --> 00:40:21,599
because i think there'll be a limited

1211
00:40:26,470 --> 00:40:24,160
audience for this film from the general

1212
00:40:29,109 --> 00:40:26,480
public i think it's going to be people

1213
00:40:30,950 --> 00:40:29,119
like me you the people listening to this

1214
00:40:32,790 --> 00:40:30,960
are watching this who are going to pick

1215
00:40:34,710 --> 00:40:32,800
it up and also angels and airwaves blink

1216
00:40:36,950 --> 00:40:34,720
one it to her fans and stuff like that

1217
00:40:39,829 --> 00:40:36,960
and hello to all the box car racer fans

1218
00:40:41,430 --> 00:40:39,839
out there um is it good those folks but

1219
00:40:43,430 --> 00:40:41,440
are we going to see something in this

1220
00:40:45,030 --> 00:40:43,440
and go ah that's interesting now he's

1221
00:40:46,550 --> 00:40:45,040
not said that before

1222
00:40:47,990 --> 00:40:46,560
or is it going to be a presentation of

1223
00:40:50,390 --> 00:40:48,000
all this stuff he's talked about in a

1224
00:40:52,309 --> 00:40:50,400
way we go oh yeah he said that

1225
00:40:53,510 --> 00:40:52,319
yeah i think it's the second one more

1226
00:40:55,190 --> 00:40:53,520
than anything i don't think it's gonna

1227
00:40:56,309 --> 00:40:55,200
have anything crazy new in it but then

1228
00:40:57,349 --> 00:40:56,319
again

1229
00:40:59,109 --> 00:40:57,359
i'm always meeting people in the

1230
00:41:00,470 --> 00:40:59,119
community who you know they haven't had

1231
00:41:02,630 --> 00:41:00,480
the time to sit down and read the secret

1232
00:41:04,230 --> 00:41:02,640
machines books for example so that's

1233
00:41:06,390 --> 00:41:04,240
meant to be truth mixed with fiction so

1234
00:41:08,150 --> 00:41:06,400
there's a lot of ideas in there that

1235
00:41:10,550 --> 00:41:08,160
whilst you know we might talk about them

1236
00:41:12,470 --> 00:41:10,560
in really general terms it kind of goes

1237
00:41:15,190 --> 00:41:12,480
in depth with you know the archaeology

1238
00:41:16,630 --> 00:41:15,200
aspect of things and the itching and the

1239
00:41:18,230 --> 00:41:16,640
way that the universe reflects the

1240
00:41:21,349 --> 00:41:18,240
effort that you put into it and you can

1241
00:41:23,670 --> 00:41:21,359
make it react you know um so yeah i

1242
00:41:25,430 --> 00:41:23,680
don't think it's gonna

1243
00:41:27,910 --> 00:41:25,440
necessarily set the ufo community on

1244
00:41:29,750 --> 00:41:27,920
fire but it just might it's an easier

1245
00:41:31,910 --> 00:41:29,760
way to get everybody up to speed and on

1246
00:41:33,510 --> 00:41:31,920
the same page i think you know an hour

1247
00:41:34,950 --> 00:41:33,520
and a half movie is a lot easier than

1248
00:41:36,390 --> 00:41:34,960
asking someone to read a book for 20

1249
00:41:39,430 --> 00:41:36,400
hours but one might lead to the other

1250
00:41:41,510 --> 00:41:39,440
right and and then the secret machines

1251
00:41:43,270 --> 00:41:41,520
series is being developed currently by

1252
00:41:44,630 --> 00:41:43,280
legendary pictures who did things like

1253
00:41:47,589 --> 00:41:44,640
interstellar and things like that so

1254
00:41:50,069 --> 00:41:47,599
they used to super lofty uh ideas that

1255
00:41:51,829 --> 00:41:50,079
you know usually permeates sci-fi and

1256
00:41:54,069 --> 00:41:51,839
again a hat tip to marvel as well

1257
00:41:55,510 --> 00:41:54,079
because they seem to be inadvertently

1258
00:41:57,829 --> 00:41:55,520
spreading a lot of the ideas that are

1259
00:42:01,270 --> 00:41:57,839
present in kind of the ufo subject in

1260
00:42:02,870 --> 00:42:01,280
the areas um like dreamwalkers there's

1261
00:42:04,230 --> 00:42:02,880
literally an angels and airwaves album

1262
00:42:06,230 --> 00:42:04,240
called dreamwalker that's all about that

1263
00:42:09,270 --> 00:42:06,240
and a short film that goes along with it

1264
00:42:11,510 --> 00:42:09,280
so yeah i certainly think that movies

1265
00:42:12,870 --> 00:42:11,520
and tv is a great way to get these ideas

1266
00:42:14,790 --> 00:42:12,880
out there close encounters of the third

1267
00:42:15,829 --> 00:42:14,800
kind we look back on now and realize wow

1268
00:42:17,910 --> 00:42:15,839
that was

1269
00:42:19,589 --> 00:42:17,920
effective but how many more people saw

1270
00:42:21,109 --> 00:42:19,599
batteries not included but didn't

1271
00:42:22,950 --> 00:42:21,119
necessarily think of it in that way and

1272
00:42:25,109 --> 00:42:22,960
now they get to reframe it and think

1273
00:42:28,870 --> 00:42:25,119
okay that's an autonomous ai coming to

1274
00:42:31,510 --> 00:42:28,880
our planet to help us that's a very

1275
00:42:33,270 --> 00:42:31,520
cool way to depict that idea

1276
00:42:34,710 --> 00:42:33,280
do you know what could be quite cool as

1277
00:42:36,390 --> 00:42:34,720
and this is i've not even got this noted

1278
00:42:38,470 --> 00:42:36,400
down but um

1279
00:42:40,790 --> 00:42:38,480
if if we could get like close encounters

1280
00:42:42,470 --> 00:42:40,800
to the third kind remade and i'm not

1281
00:42:44,630 --> 00:42:42,480
usually a big one for remaking classic

1282
00:42:47,190 --> 00:42:44,640
films at all but that could be an

1283
00:42:49,430 --> 00:42:47,200
interesting one to reimagine now

1284
00:42:50,550 --> 00:42:49,440
i like the word reimagine as opposed to

1285
00:42:52,230 --> 00:42:50,560
remake

1286
00:42:54,150 --> 00:42:52,240
yeah i felt a bit dirty when you said

1287
00:42:55,510 --> 00:42:54,160
that yeah yeah you don't just remake it

1288
00:42:57,589 --> 00:42:55,520
but you reimagine it and update it a

1289
00:42:58,950 --> 00:42:57,599
little bit and you know

1290
00:43:00,550 --> 00:42:58,960
could someone like tom delonge get

1291
00:43:02,550 --> 00:43:00,560
involved in a project like that you know

1292
00:43:04,950 --> 00:43:02,560
buy the rights and

1293
00:43:06,870 --> 00:43:04,960
yeah who knows could be interesting

1294
00:43:08,470 --> 00:43:06,880
maybe that's his idea and we've got nope

1295
00:43:09,349 --> 00:43:08,480
coming out soon the jordan peel movie as

1296
00:43:11,349 --> 00:43:09,359
well

1297
00:43:13,030 --> 00:43:11,359
that is very much a ufo movie and

1298
00:43:14,150 --> 00:43:13,040
there's a theme park aspect to that too

1299
00:43:15,270 --> 00:43:14,160
they're leaving the set there so you can

1300
00:43:16,870 --> 00:43:15,280
go visit the theme park and they're

1301
00:43:18,790 --> 00:43:16,880
bound to have a nighttime show there or

1302
00:43:21,109 --> 00:43:18,800
something and yeah i want to go and see

1303
00:43:22,870 --> 00:43:21,119
one of the ufos so listen slight aside

1304
00:43:25,510 --> 00:43:22,880
on that which is i think a positive for

1305
00:43:27,109 --> 00:43:25,520
for nope for anyone who's not heard or

1306
00:43:29,510 --> 00:43:27,119
seen the the trailers available now it

1307
00:43:31,430 --> 00:43:29,520
comes out in the uk on the 22nd of july

1308
00:43:33,750 --> 00:43:31,440
and i went to see thor in the cinema

1309
00:43:36,390 --> 00:43:33,760
today and behind me and the role behind

1310
00:43:37,990 --> 00:43:36,400
me were a couple of kind of older geeks

1311
00:43:39,589 --> 00:43:38,000
um who were commenting all the way

1312
00:43:41,349 --> 00:43:39,599
through the trailers and the adverts and

1313
00:43:43,430 --> 00:43:41,359
stuff like that and one of those guys

1314
00:43:45,910 --> 00:43:43,440
was there who nothing impressed them and

1315
00:43:47,510 --> 00:43:45,920
everything was like beneath them and uh

1316
00:43:50,150 --> 00:43:47,520
funnily enough when all the trailers

1317
00:43:51,270 --> 00:43:50,160
were on the one he reacted to positively

1318
00:43:53,349 --> 00:43:51,280
like i see i was literally right in

1319
00:43:55,030 --> 00:43:53,359
front of him it was nope because the

1320
00:43:57,270 --> 00:43:55,040
trailer came on and it's got those kind

1321
00:43:58,870 --> 00:43:57,280
of quick flashes that hides it didn't

1322
00:44:01,190 --> 00:43:58,880
have the picture of the ufo that some of

1323
00:44:02,550 --> 00:44:01,200
the trailers have yeah but

1324
00:44:04,710 --> 00:44:02,560
you see the person getting sucked up

1325
00:44:06,790 --> 00:44:04,720
into the sky and the horror aspect of it

1326
00:44:09,270 --> 00:44:06,800
and the nope and big you know white and

1327
00:44:10,950 --> 00:44:09,280
black lettering and he just went huh

1328
00:44:13,510 --> 00:44:10,960
that looks quite interesting actually so

1329
00:44:15,030 --> 00:44:13,520
i was like ah so if you've got a trailer

1330
00:44:16,309 --> 00:44:15,040
which is meant to grab an audience and

1331
00:44:17,670 --> 00:44:16,319
not ruin the film and show you

1332
00:44:19,829 --> 00:44:17,680
everything that's in it which too many

1333
00:44:21,270 --> 00:44:19,839
trailers do these days yeah i thought it

1334
00:44:22,870 --> 00:44:21,280
was quite interesting to your member of

1335
00:44:24,790 --> 00:44:22,880
the general public behind me and i

1336
00:44:27,510 --> 00:44:24,800
really wanted her to turn around and say

1337
00:44:29,910 --> 00:44:27,520
it's a ufo movie but yeah

1338
00:44:32,069 --> 00:44:29,920
but to hear him say oh yeah that looks

1339
00:44:34,069 --> 00:44:32,079
interesting oh well i think that is a

1340
00:44:35,910 --> 00:44:34,079
trailer doing its job because you've got

1341
00:44:38,230 --> 00:44:35,920
a guy sitting there who is quite

1342
00:44:39,910 --> 00:44:38,240
critical of life by the sounds of it he

1343
00:44:41,270 --> 00:44:39,920
wasn't happy with banking adverts that

1344
00:44:43,030 --> 00:44:41,280
were being played

1345
00:44:44,870 --> 00:44:43,040
he sees a movie that i know is going to

1346
00:44:46,870 --> 00:44:44,880
be about ufos and he was like oh that

1347
00:44:49,430 --> 00:44:46,880
looks interesting so yeah and well done

1348
00:44:50,710 --> 00:44:49,440
to jordan peele and the makers of that

1349
00:44:51,910 --> 00:44:50,720
because at least the trailer has done

1350
00:44:53,910 --> 00:44:51,920
its job and i think that guy's going to

1351
00:44:55,670 --> 00:44:53,920
go and pay to see that yeah absolutely

1352
00:44:58,069 --> 00:44:55,680
and then he'll watch the film and kind

1353
00:44:59,990 --> 00:44:58,079
of probably go from that to researching

1354
00:45:01,270 --> 00:45:00,000
the ufo subject and now when he types

1355
00:45:03,190 --> 00:45:01,280
his ufo into google it's going to

1356
00:45:05,349 --> 00:45:03,200
correct him to uap and he'll be seeing

1357
00:45:07,030 --> 00:45:05,359
the navy tic tac video and hearing ryan

1358
00:45:08,710 --> 00:45:07,040
graves and alex dietrich talk about like

1359
00:45:10,470 --> 00:45:08,720
that's a that's a really cool kind of

1360
00:45:12,950 --> 00:45:10,480
set of dominoes to make fall for someone

1361
00:45:14,390 --> 00:45:12,960
and it's it's a lot smoother than it

1362
00:45:16,550 --> 00:45:14,400
used to be a couple of years ago right

1363
00:45:18,230 --> 00:45:16,560
yeah a couple years ago like pre-youtube

1364
00:45:19,990 --> 00:45:18,240
pre yeah you know when you had to go to

1365
00:45:21,430 --> 00:45:20,000
the library to get anything about it and

1366
00:45:22,790 --> 00:45:21,440
they had pictures of

1367
00:45:25,030 --> 00:45:22,800
the the book that i mentioned in the

1368
00:45:26,230 --> 00:45:25,040
last show with i saw in blackpool that i

1369
00:45:28,470 --> 00:45:26,240
was like i haven't seen that book since

1370
00:45:30,069 --> 00:45:28,480
i was a kid on the front of it literal

1371
00:45:31,990 --> 00:45:30,079
clouds like now we know they're clouds

1372
00:45:33,589 --> 00:45:32,000
but then when that book was made they

1373
00:45:36,230 --> 00:45:33,599
didn't so it was on the front cover it's

1374
00:45:38,309 --> 00:45:36,240
a ufo photo no i would hope as part of

1375
00:45:40,550 --> 00:45:38,319
that search he types in ufo to google he

1376
00:45:42,550 --> 00:45:40,560
finds that ufo podcast and he dives into

1377
00:45:44,550 --> 00:45:42,560
the archives and listens but what he's

1378
00:45:47,510 --> 00:45:44,560
more likely to find when he types in ufo

1379
00:45:49,670 --> 00:45:47,520
podcast is lex friedman and joe rogan

1380
00:45:52,390 --> 00:45:49,680
and just to touch on that dan segway

1381
00:45:54,710 --> 00:45:52,400
yeah thanks uh just to touch on that lex

1382
00:45:57,430 --> 00:45:54,720
friedman had joe rogan on as a guest for

1383
00:45:59,430 --> 00:45:57,440
his 300th show i've not had a chance to

1384
00:46:01,109 --> 00:45:59,440
watch or listen to this one yet and

1385
00:46:02,470 --> 00:46:01,119
after this lex friedman has went to

1386
00:46:04,390 --> 00:46:02,480
ukraine and he's been out there

1387
00:46:07,109 --> 00:46:04,400
documenting a few different things given

1388
00:46:09,430 --> 00:46:07,119
what's going on um but they do discuss

1389
00:46:11,190 --> 00:46:09,440
as part of that interview um ufos now

1390
00:46:13,349 --> 00:46:11,200
dan you said to me having watched it

1391
00:46:15,910 --> 00:46:13,359
it's not necessarily bigger explosive

1392
00:46:17,829 --> 00:46:15,920
it's just a general conversation however

1393
00:46:20,470 --> 00:46:17,839
for me the big takeaway here is you've

1394
00:46:22,550 --> 00:46:20,480
got lex friedman who has hosted numerous

1395
00:46:24,630 --> 00:46:22,560
people regarding the ufo topic on his

1396
00:46:27,510 --> 00:46:24,640
podcast we know joe rogan has done the

1397
00:46:29,430 --> 00:46:27,520
same they get audiences of millions

1398
00:46:31,589 --> 00:46:29,440
on listening to each of those shows or

1399
00:46:33,430 --> 00:46:31,599
watching those shows and they've come

1400
00:46:36,069 --> 00:46:33,440
together and still found time to discuss

1401
00:46:37,589 --> 00:46:36,079
the ufo topic which i think's great that

1402
00:46:40,150 --> 00:46:37,599
that's happening and again that just

1403
00:46:42,630 --> 00:46:40,160
gets more eyes and ears on the subject

1404
00:46:46,470 --> 00:46:42,640
and the conversation particularly that

1405
00:46:48,870 --> 00:46:46,480
18 35 40 demo that is really important

1406
00:46:50,309 --> 00:46:48,880
especially in terms of voting and

1407
00:46:52,309 --> 00:46:50,319
politics and

1408
00:46:54,630 --> 00:46:52,319
getting representatives

1409
00:46:56,470 --> 00:46:54,640
whatever whatever country you're in

1410
00:46:58,550 --> 00:46:56,480
talking about the conversation and aware

1411
00:47:00,710 --> 00:46:58,560
of the conversation and influencing

1412
00:47:02,069 --> 00:47:00,720
folks to get back into the ufo topic

1413
00:47:03,270 --> 00:47:02,079
which more and more people get in touch

1414
00:47:05,510 --> 00:47:03,280
with me and say

1415
00:47:07,030 --> 00:47:05,520
i've just got back into the topic or

1416
00:47:09,349 --> 00:47:07,040
i've not been bothered about this topic

1417
00:47:12,470 --> 00:47:09,359
since i was a kid but i heard rogan i

1418
00:47:13,750 --> 00:47:12,480
heard lex friedman i heard xyz so that's

1419
00:47:15,270 --> 00:47:13,760
really interesting that they're still

1420
00:47:17,990 --> 00:47:15,280
doing that because every time they have

1421
00:47:20,069 --> 00:47:18,000
that conversation you know like bono

1422
00:47:22,230 --> 00:47:20,079
clicking his fingers you know fairy gets

1423
00:47:23,750 --> 00:47:22,240
her wings someone gets into the ufo

1424
00:47:25,270 --> 00:47:23,760
topic so for me that's that's the big

1425
00:47:27,109 --> 00:47:25,280
positive take away from that as well

1426
00:47:28,470 --> 00:47:27,119
yeah yeah i'd agree

1427
00:47:31,190 --> 00:47:28,480
the

1428
00:47:33,190 --> 00:47:31,200
joe rogan expressed that he had you know

1429
00:47:35,430 --> 00:47:33,200
he was starting to question what he'd

1430
00:47:37,349 --> 00:47:35,440
been told about stuff but the point is

1431
00:47:39,109 --> 00:47:37,359
he's thinking about a mystery right like

1432
00:47:40,870 --> 00:47:39,119
no one has answers to this it's a

1433
00:47:42,710 --> 00:47:40,880
genuine question so if people are asking

1434
00:47:43,990 --> 00:47:42,720
questions good come on in let's get this

1435
00:47:45,670 --> 00:47:44,000
sew in

1436
00:47:48,230 --> 00:47:45,680
yeah especially some of the people that

1437
00:47:49,910 --> 00:47:48,240
we want to see on on joe rogan that you

1438
00:47:51,910 --> 00:47:49,920
know that that's a huge audience not

1439
00:47:53,670 --> 00:47:51,920
that i think he'll be the best interview

1440
00:47:54,870 --> 00:47:53,680
for some of those people but i think

1441
00:47:57,349 --> 00:47:54,880
there are people that i'd love to see

1442
00:47:58,790 --> 00:47:57,359
are lex friedman interview but also joe

1443
00:48:01,349 --> 00:47:58,800
rogan have a different interview with

1444
00:48:02,710 --> 00:48:01,359
them and so on and so forth so so yeah

1445
00:48:04,549 --> 00:48:02,720
very interesting they're having that

1446
00:48:07,190 --> 00:48:04,559
conversation and keeping the keeping

1447
00:48:08,470 --> 00:48:07,200
that going dan

1448
00:48:11,270 --> 00:48:08,480
next one for you do you want to talk

1449
00:48:12,870 --> 00:48:11,280
about james webb or the ndaa language

1450
00:48:14,470 --> 00:48:12,880
we're getting near the end of this night

1451
00:48:15,990 --> 00:48:14,480
i feel like we always save james webb

1452
00:48:17,829 --> 00:48:16,000
for for the last like a relaxing

1453
00:48:21,750 --> 00:48:17,839
discussion so let's do the ndaa that's

1454
00:48:24,069 --> 00:48:21,760
quite a lofty one cool so again dan this

1455
00:48:25,430 --> 00:48:24,079
is one that you follow along with uh d

1456
00:48:28,710 --> 00:48:25,440
dean johnson

1457
00:48:30,549 --> 00:48:28,720
uh who has been uh posting quite a lot

1458
00:48:32,950 --> 00:48:30,559
on the subject in a lot of detail

1459
00:48:34,470 --> 00:48:32,960
keeping people up to date um

1460
00:48:36,630 --> 00:48:34,480
really good at getting the scoops i

1461
00:48:38,230 --> 00:48:36,640
think on these bills and when there's an

1462
00:48:39,910 --> 00:48:38,240
update when there's a language change

1463
00:48:41,190 --> 00:48:39,920
when there's a possible update and i

1464
00:48:43,670 --> 00:48:41,200
know that's something you follow quite

1465
00:48:46,390 --> 00:48:43,680
closely and you've spoken also with uh d

1466
00:48:47,589 --> 00:48:46,400
dean himself yeah he's he's fantastic

1467
00:48:49,750 --> 00:48:47,599
just you know if he's listening i'm not

1468
00:48:51,910 --> 00:48:49,760
sure if he is but thank you so much um

1469
00:48:53,349 --> 00:48:51,920
he he's always great to take time to

1470
00:48:55,829 --> 00:48:53,359
even if he's having a busy day just he

1471
00:48:57,190 --> 00:48:55,839
might be back and explain the answer to

1472
00:48:58,950 --> 00:48:57,200
the stupid question that i've asked you

1473
00:49:00,390 --> 00:48:58,960
know because i just don't know the terms

1474
00:49:01,910 --> 00:49:00,400
in the legislation

1475
00:49:04,390 --> 00:49:01,920
yeah he does updates and things like

1476
00:49:05,829 --> 00:49:04,400
that so he's worth following but in in a

1477
00:49:07,829 --> 00:49:05,839
nutshell it's

1478
00:49:09,750 --> 00:49:07,839
basically people can remember last year

1479
00:49:11,430 --> 00:49:09,760
when the ndaa was started and there were

1480
00:49:13,589 --> 00:49:11,440
a whole host of amendments as he went

1481
00:49:16,390 --> 00:49:13,599
through through different people like uh

1482
00:49:18,069 --> 00:49:16,400
senate's gillibrand and marco rubio and

1483
00:49:19,589 --> 00:49:18,079
they all had different things that they

1484
00:49:22,069 --> 00:49:19,599
wanted

1485
00:49:24,630 --> 00:49:22,079
to cover with the uap language

1486
00:49:25,990 --> 00:49:24,640
it started in a certain way and the

1487
00:49:28,470 --> 00:49:26,000
language was very different by the time

1488
00:49:29,670 --> 00:49:28,480
it got to the actual ndaa vote we

1489
00:49:31,349 --> 00:49:29,680
thought it was going to be discussed on

1490
00:49:33,349 --> 00:49:31,359
the house floor it wasn't it actually

1491
00:49:35,030 --> 00:49:33,359
went through smoothly so i'm kind of

1492
00:49:36,549 --> 00:49:35,040
hoping for the same this year but at the

1493
00:49:38,790 --> 00:49:36,559
moment we've got a few different trains

1494
00:49:42,549 --> 00:49:38,800
on a few different tracks and we've got

1495
00:49:44,470 --> 00:49:42,559
the iaa 2023 which will be you know

1496
00:49:47,030 --> 00:49:44,480
processed that one

1497
00:49:49,270 --> 00:49:47,040
was announced by uh senator mark warner

1498
00:49:50,549 --> 00:49:49,280
and is from the senate intelligence

1499
00:49:53,030 --> 00:49:50,559
committee

1500
00:49:55,589 --> 00:49:53,040
that one talks about essentially a new

1501
00:49:57,270 --> 00:49:55,599
acronym so instead of uap or ufo is

1502
00:49:59,190 --> 00:49:57,280
unidentified aerospace undersea

1503
00:50:01,349 --> 00:49:59,200
phenomena which is just

1504
00:50:02,710 --> 00:50:01,359
an easy way of explaining trans medium

1505
00:50:05,430 --> 00:50:02,720
because people might not know what that

1506
00:50:07,030 --> 00:50:05,440
word means of course it's leaving out a

1507
00:50:08,710 --> 00:50:07,040
certain domain because it's not just

1508
00:50:09,990 --> 00:50:08,720
aerospace undersea

1509
00:50:11,910 --> 00:50:10,000
there are all these other mediums that

1510
00:50:13,829 --> 00:50:11,920
kind of left out there can i just make a

1511
00:50:15,750 --> 00:50:13,839
point on that and i've seen a few people

1512
00:50:17,109 --> 00:50:15,760
online discussing this and chris sharp

1513
00:50:19,670 --> 00:50:17,119
was involved in the conversation at one

1514
00:50:21,109 --> 00:50:19,680
point i think uh and a few others

1515
00:50:23,030 --> 00:50:21,119
at the end of the day and some people

1516
00:50:24,390 --> 00:50:23,040
don't necessarily like this and maybe

1517
00:50:26,870 --> 00:50:24,400
i'm going back on things i've said in

1518
00:50:29,109 --> 00:50:26,880
the past i don't know but

1519
00:50:31,910 --> 00:50:29,119
this is called that ufo podcast and not

1520
00:50:33,190 --> 00:50:31,920
that uap podcast because 99 of the

1521
00:50:35,510 --> 00:50:33,200
population

1522
00:50:37,510 --> 00:50:35,520
know them as ufos and whether people

1523
00:50:38,390 --> 00:50:37,520
like that or not that's not going to

1524
00:50:40,870 --> 00:50:38,400
change

1525
00:50:43,430 --> 00:50:40,880
uap might become more involved or known

1526
00:50:46,950 --> 00:50:43,440
in the conversation but

1527
00:50:48,309 --> 00:50:46,960
wwf is still the term people use for

1528
00:50:53,030 --> 00:50:48,319
wrestling

1529
00:50:55,589 --> 00:50:53,040
on the tv or being discussed even when

1530
00:50:57,030 --> 00:50:55,599
the wwf lost a court battle to the world

1531
00:51:00,230 --> 00:50:57,040
wildlife fund

1532
00:51:03,109 --> 00:51:00,240
to change their name to wwe people now

1533
00:51:05,510 --> 00:51:03,119
20 years later still say oh wwf or the

1534
00:51:08,230 --> 00:51:05,520
wwf as wrestling even what changed a

1535
00:51:10,549 --> 00:51:08,240
long time ago um

1536
00:51:12,390 --> 00:51:10,559
that for me is the way the ufo

1537
00:51:15,190 --> 00:51:12,400
language is and i saw some people saying

1538
00:51:17,589 --> 00:51:15,200
about that new acronym in new term

1539
00:51:19,750 --> 00:51:17,599
call them uap usa was everything else

1540
00:51:23,030 --> 00:51:19,760
under the sun we have to just accept

1541
00:51:24,870 --> 00:51:23,040
that ufo shouldn't be a dirty word or

1542
00:51:26,069 --> 00:51:24,880
our language people are scared to use

1543
00:51:26,790 --> 00:51:26,079
because

1544
00:51:30,309 --> 00:51:26,800
it

1545
00:51:32,870 --> 00:51:30,319
stigma to get into the conversation when

1546
00:51:34,549 --> 00:51:32,880
you say uap but at the end of the day i

1547
00:51:36,950 --> 00:51:34,559
think you still have to you know yeah

1548
00:51:38,470 --> 00:51:36,960
it's ufos and people always say you know

1549
00:51:40,150 --> 00:51:38,480
if i say uap to someone that hasn't

1550
00:51:41,510 --> 00:51:40,160
spoken about it or isn't thinking about

1551
00:51:44,230 --> 00:51:41,520
it they'll always say what you mean and

1552
00:51:45,910 --> 00:51:44,240
i'll go ufos and they go oh okay so we

1553
00:51:48,230 --> 00:51:45,920
should just start with ufos like i

1554
00:51:50,069 --> 00:51:48,240
understand that it is the official term

1555
00:51:51,990 --> 00:51:50,079
uap to talk about it internally to

1556
00:51:53,430 --> 00:51:52,000
reduce the stigma but like you say we

1557
00:51:55,430 --> 00:51:53,440
all know what we're talking about so

1558
00:51:56,470 --> 00:51:55,440
let's just say it you know and given

1559
00:51:58,790 --> 00:51:56,480
what's come out and what we're

1560
00:51:59,829 --> 00:51:58,800
discussing now and and the the events

1561
00:52:01,750 --> 00:51:59,839
and

1562
00:52:03,190 --> 00:52:01,760
the last couple of years in the progress

1563
00:52:04,470 --> 00:52:03,200
i think people should kind of reclaim

1564
00:52:06,069 --> 00:52:04,480
that a little bit and be happy to say

1565
00:52:08,150 --> 00:52:06,079
yeah ufos

1566
00:52:09,829 --> 00:52:08,160
because now you can go ufos oh and they

1567
00:52:11,910 --> 00:52:09,839
might eye roll but yes but have you

1568
00:52:13,510 --> 00:52:11,920
heard and you can talk about any number

1569
00:52:15,430 --> 00:52:13,520
of things that have happened since and

1570
00:52:17,109 --> 00:52:15,440
that's the substance isn't it you know

1571
00:52:18,230 --> 00:52:17,119
it's whether there's no point in arguing

1572
00:52:19,430 --> 00:52:18,240
and saying oh well they're not flying

1573
00:52:21,030 --> 00:52:19,440
they're vectoring or they're using

1574
00:52:23,109 --> 00:52:21,040
gravity bubbles

1575
00:52:24,630 --> 00:52:23,119
we we don't know we want to figure out

1576
00:52:26,549 --> 00:52:24,640
the mystery and

1577
00:52:28,790 --> 00:52:26,559
people understand that thing in the sky

1578
00:52:31,750 --> 00:52:28,800
you know we say the term there's a there

1579
00:52:33,190 --> 00:52:31,760
there often what we're talking about

1580
00:52:35,750 --> 00:52:33,200
is a ufo

1581
00:52:37,030 --> 00:52:35,760
yeah 100 yeah sorry to interrupt just it

1582
00:52:38,549 --> 00:52:37,040
just came up there when you mentioned

1583
00:52:40,630 --> 00:52:38,559
the new acronyms and stuff as well so

1584
00:52:42,309 --> 00:52:40,640
it's a great point so they talk about um

1585
00:52:43,990 --> 00:52:42,319
increasing transparency and promoting

1586
00:52:46,230 --> 00:52:44,000
efforts to reform the declassification

1587
00:52:47,750 --> 00:52:46,240
process as well as protections for

1588
00:52:50,069 --> 00:52:47,760
whistleblowers which is where we get to

1589
00:52:52,470 --> 00:52:50,079
the kind of immunity stuff then in

1590
00:52:54,790 --> 00:52:52,480
another amendment that came along a

1591
00:52:56,950 --> 00:52:54,800
different time a bit later

1592
00:53:00,069 --> 00:52:56,960
they proposed basically move it out the

1593
00:53:01,670 --> 00:53:00,079
dod and into the wider net so that it

1594
00:53:03,109 --> 00:53:01,680
could actually be held accountable and

1595
00:53:05,430 --> 00:53:03,119
was a joint program between all of the

1596
00:53:07,510 --> 00:53:05,440
different departments that would

1597
00:53:09,910 --> 00:53:07,520
effectively have a reboot on the task

1598
00:53:11,510 --> 00:53:09,920
force which a lot of people would

1599
00:53:13,589 --> 00:53:11,520
support because you know they're not

1600
00:53:15,829 --> 00:53:13,599
they're not very happy essentially with

1601
00:53:18,630 --> 00:53:15,839
those hearings and what the the job that

1602
00:53:21,030 --> 00:53:18,640
the aoi msg are doing so we can already

1603
00:53:22,870 --> 00:53:21,040
see in that legislation it's reflecting

1604
00:53:24,870 --> 00:53:22,880
the frustration with those hearings so

1605
00:53:26,470 --> 00:53:24,880
even if you didn't like those hearings

1606
00:53:28,630 --> 00:53:26,480
it was functional because now we've

1607
00:53:30,950 --> 00:53:28,640
actually got language to address some of

1608
00:53:32,790 --> 00:53:30,960
the the tomfoolery that went on

1609
00:53:34,309 --> 00:53:32,800
then we've got the

1610
00:53:36,069 --> 00:53:34,319
oh and there was a proposed name change

1611
00:53:38,150 --> 00:53:36,079
as well in there so we should be getting

1612
00:53:39,349 --> 00:53:38,160
hopefully a new office with a new name

1613
00:53:41,349 --> 00:53:39,359
um

1614
00:53:43,109 --> 00:53:41,359
then we've got the gallagher gallejo

1615
00:53:45,109 --> 00:53:43,119
amendment and this one's all about

1616
00:53:46,470 --> 00:53:45,119
immunity and there's been some confusion

1617
00:53:47,589 --> 00:53:46,480
with this one because a lot of people

1618
00:53:49,190 --> 00:53:47,599
think that it means that people can

1619
00:53:51,109 --> 00:53:49,200
suddenly go and just spill the beans in

1620
00:53:52,390 --> 00:53:51,119
a public hearing that's not what this is

1621
00:53:53,190 --> 00:53:52,400
what this is

1622
00:53:55,990 --> 00:53:53,200
is

1623
00:53:59,190 --> 00:53:56,000
it they want to set up a secure system

1624
00:54:01,349 --> 00:53:59,200
within aoi msg where people who are

1625
00:54:03,430 --> 00:54:01,359
working in classified projects can

1626
00:54:05,670 --> 00:54:03,440
legally and safely

1627
00:54:07,510 --> 00:54:05,680
and not you know

1628
00:54:09,990 --> 00:54:07,520
almost damage national security by

1629
00:54:12,870 --> 00:54:10,000
putting their stories in the part submit

1630
00:54:14,710 --> 00:54:12,880
classified information so if someone is

1631
00:54:17,030 --> 00:54:14,720
say for example eric davis is a good

1632
00:54:19,349 --> 00:54:17,040
example he he has a past where he's

1633
00:54:21,670 --> 00:54:19,359
definitely worked in certain programs

1634
00:54:23,990 --> 00:54:21,680
that would look to people much like you

1635
00:54:24,950 --> 00:54:24,000
know studying crash debris and things

1636
00:54:26,790 --> 00:54:24,960
like that

1637
00:54:29,990 --> 00:54:26,800
he would be able to go to this system

1638
00:54:31,910 --> 00:54:30,000
submit his reports securely for

1639
00:54:34,309 --> 00:54:31,920
congressmen to read who could read them

1640
00:54:35,829 --> 00:54:34,319
securely and then suddenly

1641
00:54:37,430 --> 00:54:35,839
they're not just talking about stories

1642
00:54:40,789 --> 00:54:37,440
anymore they can actually

1643
00:54:42,630 --> 00:54:40,799
talk to somebody who previously to

1644
00:54:45,190 --> 00:54:42,640
to it passing which i would expect to be

1645
00:54:46,470 --> 00:54:45,200
around christmas like it was last time

1646
00:54:48,630 --> 00:54:46,480
just wouldn't be able to talk to them at

1647
00:54:50,630 --> 00:54:48,640
all and this language covers contractors

1648
00:54:52,630 --> 00:54:50,640
as well so we'd be looking at the mass

1649
00:54:55,670 --> 00:54:52,640
employees and things like that and of

1650
00:54:58,150 --> 00:54:55,680
course pilots who might say fly a black

1651
00:55:00,950 --> 00:54:58,160
project and encounter something other

1652
00:55:02,309 --> 00:55:00,960
while they're doing it we we know that

1653
00:55:04,309 --> 00:55:02,319
in the 40s when they were doing these

1654
00:55:06,150 --> 00:55:04,319
new this nuclear testing

1655
00:55:07,349 --> 00:55:06,160
the ufo supposedly a lot of people think

1656
00:55:09,910 --> 00:55:07,359
they showed it first there but it goes

1657
00:55:11,829 --> 00:55:09,920
way back but it seems like they they

1658
00:55:13,990 --> 00:55:11,839
like being around the cutting edge of

1659
00:55:16,390 --> 00:55:14,000
what we're doing so who knows you know

1660
00:55:17,430 --> 00:55:16,400
someone flying a stealth project kind of

1661
00:55:19,589 --> 00:55:17,440
at the edge of space could have

1662
00:55:21,910 --> 00:55:19,599
encountered some of these things

1663
00:55:23,270 --> 00:55:21,920
they're like the early adopters of the

1664
00:55:24,950 --> 00:55:23,280
the civilizations that are out there

1665
00:55:27,030 --> 00:55:24,960
yeah they're like oh some new tech yeah

1666
00:55:29,109 --> 00:55:27,040
i'll get involved in that absolutely and

1667
00:55:30,470 --> 00:55:29,119
and yeah when those people come down or

1668
00:55:31,990 --> 00:55:30,480
those beings come down they think that

1669
00:55:33,190 --> 00:55:32,000
we all are just shaped like planes

1670
00:55:35,589 --> 00:55:33,200
instead of people because that was the

1671
00:55:37,430 --> 00:55:35,599
first thing they saw that's what we do

1672
00:55:39,750 --> 00:55:37,440
but it just yeah it just gives them

1673
00:55:41,430 --> 00:55:39,760
immunity now there's some interesting

1674
00:55:43,750 --> 00:55:41,440
stuff coming up with that because

1675
00:55:45,670 --> 00:55:43,760
it's on the house floor for debate uh on

1676
00:55:48,069 --> 00:55:45,680
the 12th and then they get to choose it

1677
00:55:49,349 --> 00:55:48,079
on the 14th that's of july so if you're

1678
00:55:51,109 --> 00:55:49,359
in the us

1679
00:55:53,109 --> 00:55:51,119
call your representatives

1680
00:55:54,630 --> 00:55:53,119
and if you're anywhere else in the world

1681
00:55:56,150 --> 00:55:54,640
tweet them go on facebook and let them

1682
00:55:59,190 --> 00:55:56,160
know that you want this legislation to

1683
00:56:01,510 --> 00:55:59,200
go in just to repeat it it's called hr

1684
00:56:03,910 --> 00:56:01,520
7900 and you you want them to include

1685
00:56:05,990 --> 00:56:03,920
the gallagher galejo amendment i'll

1686
00:56:07,670 --> 00:56:06,000
include a link uh with the show

1687
00:56:09,750 --> 00:56:07,680
description to basically

1688
00:56:11,430 --> 00:56:09,760
uh katie howland wrote a script for

1689
00:56:12,789 --> 00:56:11,440
people calling in america that was aimed

1690
00:56:13,829 --> 00:56:12,799
at republicans democrats because

1691
00:56:15,510 --> 00:56:13,839
obviously they care about different

1692
00:56:16,950 --> 00:56:15,520
things i was just about to ask you to

1693
00:56:20,150 --> 00:56:16,960
give that a mention there for for

1694
00:56:23,270 --> 00:56:20,160
katie's uh call to arms on monday the

1695
00:56:25,030 --> 00:56:23,280
11th of july uh yes that's right it

1696
00:56:26,390 --> 00:56:25,040
moved from the tuesday yeah but it's

1697
00:56:28,549 --> 00:56:26,400
monday night

1698
00:56:30,069 --> 00:56:28,559
yeah so i'll include a link to my tweet

1699
00:56:31,510 --> 00:56:30,079
that kind of has those things there and

1700
00:56:33,109 --> 00:56:31,520
tells you exactly what you need to do to

1701
00:56:34,789 --> 00:56:33,119
get involved and you can also update the

1702
00:56:36,069 --> 00:56:34,799
spreadsheet for katie so we can have a

1703
00:56:38,230 --> 00:56:36,079
good idea of how many people got

1704
00:56:40,230 --> 00:56:38,240
involved as well point is is just to let

1705
00:56:41,990 --> 00:56:40,240
them know that you want this addressed

1706
00:56:43,349 --> 00:56:42,000
that's it they're your representatives

1707
00:56:44,870 --> 00:56:43,359
they don't know what you want unless you

1708
00:56:46,470 --> 00:56:44,880
talk to them about it if you're into

1709
00:56:48,870 --> 00:56:46,480
this mystery get in touch and let them

1710
00:56:51,109 --> 00:56:48,880
know and listen there is no bad day for

1711
00:56:52,630 --> 00:56:51,119
people to do that if no matter what

1712
00:56:55,270 --> 00:56:52,640
country you're in if you're uk us

1713
00:56:56,470 --> 00:56:55,280
australia canada ireland sweden whatever

1714
00:56:58,950 --> 00:56:56,480
else you are

1715
00:57:00,390 --> 00:56:58,960
if you don't get involved in any one of

1716
00:57:03,190 --> 00:57:00,400
these you know

1717
00:57:05,109 --> 00:57:03,200
rallies or you know phone homes or like

1718
00:57:07,030 --> 00:57:05,119
katie's putting this together to get

1719
00:57:08,870 --> 00:57:07,040
everyone to do it at one time for like a

1720
00:57:10,390 --> 00:57:08,880
level of impact if you don't get a

1721
00:57:12,069 --> 00:57:10,400
chance to do it that's fine do it in

1722
00:57:14,630 --> 00:57:12,079
tuesday do it on wednesday do it in four

1723
00:57:16,470 --> 00:57:14,640
weeks time do it on the 22nd of december

1724
00:57:18,230 --> 00:57:16,480
at half past one and a tuesday afternoon

1725
00:57:19,910 --> 00:57:18,240
because you're bored and it just comes

1726
00:57:21,829 --> 00:57:19,920
to mind do you know what i think i'm

1727
00:57:23,829 --> 00:57:21,839
going to write a letter or an email or a

1728
00:57:26,069 --> 00:57:23,839
tweet there's no bad time to do it just

1729
00:57:28,549 --> 00:57:26,079
get involved just it helps the

1730
00:57:29,750 --> 00:57:28,559
conversation and you never know that

1731
00:57:32,309 --> 00:57:29,760
on monday

1732
00:57:34,230 --> 00:57:32,319
maybe a thousand people email tweet get

1733
00:57:36,309 --> 00:57:34,240
in touch with representatives and it has

1734
00:57:38,309 --> 00:57:36,319
a level of impact but you don't know

1735
00:57:40,390 --> 00:57:38,319
that on that random day you get in touch

1736
00:57:42,630 --> 00:57:40,400
with your elected representative

1737
00:57:44,710 --> 00:57:42,640
that that letter or email arriving on

1738
00:57:47,109 --> 00:57:44,720
their desk or their computer doesn't

1739
00:57:49,190 --> 00:57:47,119
have the impact everything else didn't

1740
00:57:50,549 --> 00:57:49,200
so that that could sway it could just be

1741
00:57:53,270 --> 00:57:50,559
that time that they're picking up you

1742
00:57:55,589 --> 00:57:53,280
know correspondence and ah that's

1743
00:57:57,510 --> 00:57:55,599
interesting and it snowballs from there

1744
00:57:58,950 --> 00:57:57,520
you you'll always want to get them to a

1745
00:58:01,349 --> 00:57:58,960
point where they're eye rolling like oh

1746
00:58:02,870 --> 00:58:01,359
another uap email because at that point

1747
00:58:04,870 --> 00:58:02,880
they've noted how many people are

1748
00:58:06,549 --> 00:58:04,880
interested in this and it's getting to

1749
00:58:07,910 --> 00:58:06,559
the so i can't remember who pointed out

1750
00:58:09,270 --> 00:58:07,920
but if you look at the original release

1751
00:58:11,270 --> 00:58:09,280
of like the tic tac video and stuff like

1752
00:58:13,510 --> 00:58:11,280
that that has millions of views millions

1753
00:58:14,630 --> 00:58:13,520
of views or millions of votes so this is

1754
00:58:15,990 --> 00:58:14,640
going to become a really interesting

1755
00:58:17,510 --> 00:58:16,000
issue now we're talking about national

1756
00:58:20,230 --> 00:58:17,520
defense and i know there are other

1757
00:58:21,750 --> 00:58:20,240
things going on in the world but

1758
00:58:23,190 --> 00:58:21,760
there are senators talking about this

1759
00:58:25,910 --> 00:58:23,200
there are representatives talking about

1760
00:58:27,030 --> 00:58:25,920
this so it's not it's not going away we

1761
00:58:29,910 --> 00:58:27,040
like to see the ketchups out of the

1762
00:58:31,349 --> 00:58:29,920
bottle it's you know i'm i'm i'm covered

1763
00:58:33,430 --> 00:58:31,359
yeah keep smacking the bottom of that

1764
00:58:35,510 --> 00:58:33,440
bottle there you go i feel like you're

1765
00:58:37,270 --> 00:58:35,520
in the scottish accent enjoy there are

1766
00:58:39,190 --> 00:58:37,280
just four things outstanding this year

1767
00:58:40,789 --> 00:58:39,200
so september uh we're looking at a

1768
00:58:42,950 --> 00:58:40,799
second classified quarterly report

1769
00:58:45,349 --> 00:58:42,960
that's based on the iaa that was passed

1770
00:58:47,910 --> 00:58:45,359
we're also looking at a classified

1771
00:58:49,349 --> 00:58:47,920
semi-annual briefing based on the ndaa

1772
00:58:51,910 --> 00:58:49,359
so a lot of committees will get updates

1773
00:58:53,670 --> 00:58:51,920
from the aoi msg then then 31st of

1774
00:58:55,829 --> 00:58:53,680
october which is halloween we get our

1775
00:58:57,270 --> 00:58:55,839
second report and that will be a public

1776
00:58:58,230 --> 00:58:57,280
report they'll no doubt be arguments

1777
00:58:59,829 --> 00:58:58,240
about the length of it and what it

1778
00:59:01,670 --> 00:58:59,839
contains and so on so forth but

1779
00:59:03,270 --> 00:59:01,680
halloween is the date that the public

1780
00:59:04,950 --> 00:59:03,280
are going to get something and then in

1781
00:59:07,349 --> 00:59:04,960
december there'll be the third

1782
00:59:09,270 --> 00:59:07,359
classified coursely report

1783
00:59:11,190 --> 00:59:09,280
so there are a lot of moments where

1784
00:59:12,789 --> 00:59:11,200
senators and representatives can go hold

1785
00:59:14,309 --> 00:59:12,799
on this isn't working right let's create

1786
00:59:15,510 --> 00:59:14,319
a law to change this and try and shake

1787
00:59:18,230 --> 00:59:15,520
things up a bit

1788
00:59:19,910 --> 00:59:18,240
yeah and unfortunately those classified

1789
00:59:21,190 --> 00:59:19,920
reports that are even the classified

1790
00:59:23,349 --> 00:59:21,200
briefing that happened at the end of the

1791
00:59:25,349 --> 00:59:23,359
hearings we've never really had anything

1792
00:59:26,950 --> 00:59:25,359
leak from or come out of so

1793
00:59:29,670 --> 00:59:26,960
we can't really expect anything on those

1794
00:59:31,829 --> 00:59:29,680
dates to to happen or come out or even

1795
00:59:33,910 --> 00:59:31,839
kind of trickle down so what the best we

1796
00:59:35,750 --> 00:59:33,920
can hope for is when that 31st of

1797
00:59:36,710 --> 00:59:35,760
october hits and we get the public

1798
00:59:39,349 --> 00:59:36,720
briefing

1799
00:59:41,670 --> 00:59:39,359
our public report that there's something

1800
00:59:43,109 --> 00:59:41,680
in there to chew over so yeah don't get

1801
00:59:46,150 --> 00:59:43,119
hopes up on any of those classified

1802
00:59:47,990 --> 00:59:46,160
dates revealing anything as such um

1803
00:59:50,710 --> 00:59:48,000
they're not for as

1804
00:59:53,349 --> 00:59:50,720
as we do have um people like tim

1805
00:59:55,190 --> 00:59:53,359
burchard who will talk about he he made

1806
00:59:56,870 --> 00:59:55,200
a statement yesterday saying

1807
00:59:58,309 --> 00:59:56,880
that the things he seen has you know

1808
00:59:59,510 --> 00:59:58,319
blown his mind

1809
01:00:01,190 --> 00:59:59,520
so

1810
01:00:03,430 --> 01:00:01,200
that's the most we've heard about those

1811
01:00:05,030 --> 01:00:03,440
classified briefings but that for me is

1812
01:00:06,870 --> 01:00:05,040
enough to go well why why can't we

1813
01:00:08,789 --> 01:00:06,880
loosen up the declassification process

1814
01:00:10,470 --> 01:00:08,799
and release a few of these videos so

1815
01:00:11,910 --> 01:00:10,480
everyone including scientists who can

1816
01:00:13,430 --> 01:00:11,920
actually tackle this have a better idea

1817
01:00:14,390 --> 01:00:13,440
of what we're dealing with

1818
01:00:16,789 --> 01:00:14,400
absolutely

1819
01:00:19,990 --> 01:00:16,799
um james webb update 12th of july you've

1820
01:00:23,910 --> 01:00:20,000
mentioned before dan um as the big date

1821
01:00:25,829 --> 01:00:23,920
for us to get the the first images um

1822
01:00:28,470 --> 01:00:25,839
proper images from the james webb

1823
01:00:31,349 --> 01:00:28,480
telescope the test image that um i

1824
01:00:33,510 --> 01:00:31,359
retweet last week that came out online

1825
01:00:35,750 --> 01:00:33,520
was incredible it showed us you know

1826
01:00:37,670 --> 01:00:35,760
some stars looked phenomenal it showed

1827
01:00:39,349 --> 01:00:37,680
us just points of light everywhere that

1828
01:00:41,829 --> 01:00:39,359
are just galaxies and galaxies and

1829
01:00:44,150 --> 01:00:41,839
galaxies and galaxies um and for a test

1830
01:00:47,030 --> 01:00:44,160
damage i think they've said again this

1831
01:00:50,789 --> 01:00:47,040
uh piece of equipment is performing well

1832
01:00:52,230 --> 01:00:50,799
beyond any expectations already so

1833
01:00:54,710 --> 01:00:52,240
it's hard not to get a little bit

1834
01:00:57,109 --> 01:00:54,720
carried away with what we might see

1835
01:00:59,109 --> 01:00:57,119
on the 12th of july in terms of a real

1836
01:01:00,470 --> 01:00:59,119
image isn't it well the the images we've

1837
01:01:01,990 --> 01:01:00,480
seen so far like you say they've been

1838
01:01:03,750 --> 01:01:02,000
test images from different instruments

1839
01:01:07,510 --> 01:01:03,760
the one that was released this week was

1840
01:01:09,430 --> 01:01:07,520
from the fine guidance sensor and that

1841
01:01:11,109 --> 01:01:09,440
is not even a piece of equipment that is

1842
01:01:12,630 --> 01:01:11,119
meant to be taking pictures it's

1843
01:01:14,470 --> 01:01:12,640
literally meant to just point the

1844
01:01:16,710 --> 01:01:14,480
telescope at the target that they

1845
01:01:18,870 --> 01:01:16,720
actually want to image so to see that

1846
01:01:20,549 --> 01:01:18,880
kind of result from something that's not

1847
01:01:22,069 --> 01:01:20,559
meant to be a scientific instrument is

1848
01:01:23,829 --> 01:01:22,079
just incredible

1849
01:01:26,069 --> 01:01:23,839
that's also an infrared so it has like

1850
01:01:28,630 --> 01:01:26,079
this orange hue to it and there there

1851
01:01:30,549 --> 01:01:28,640
are these diffraction spikes that are

1852
01:01:33,349 --> 01:01:30,559
literally there because of the way the

1853
01:01:34,870 --> 01:01:33,359
mirrors are shaped those kind of things

1854
01:01:36,069 --> 01:01:34,880
are essentially what they're working out

1855
01:01:38,309 --> 01:01:36,079
when they're saying we're processing the

1856
01:01:39,510 --> 01:01:38,319
data they're getting rid of those spikes

1857
01:01:41,270 --> 01:01:39,520
and they're looking at what's behind the

1858
01:01:42,950 --> 01:01:41,280
spikes and seeing essentially what's

1859
01:01:45,109 --> 01:01:42,960
there and correcting the color for them

1860
01:01:47,990 --> 01:01:45,119
so what we see when they release these

1861
01:01:49,589 --> 01:01:48,000
images will be

1862
01:01:51,670 --> 01:01:49,599
much much better than what we're seeing

1863
01:01:53,349 --> 01:01:51,680
from that instrument that you retweeted

1864
01:01:56,309 --> 01:01:53,359
or if you're you know on youtube you can

1865
01:01:58,470 --> 01:01:56,319
see the thumbnail uh that's the image

1866
01:02:00,390 --> 01:01:58,480
it's an incredible image anyway so yeah

1867
01:02:01,589 --> 01:02:00,400
i think that it's going to be better

1868
01:02:03,190 --> 01:02:01,599
my god

1869
01:02:05,910 --> 01:02:03,200
question for you though dan so the

1870
01:02:08,710 --> 01:02:05,920
target locations have been revealed um

1871
01:02:11,910 --> 01:02:08,720
it's the karina nebula which is 7 600

1872
01:02:14,789 --> 01:02:11,920
light years away wasp 96b spectrum which

1873
01:02:16,630 --> 01:02:14,799
as everyone knows a gas giant 1 150

1874
01:02:18,390 --> 01:02:16,640
light years away the southern ring

1875
01:02:20,390 --> 01:02:18,400
nebula one of your favorite stand two

1876
01:02:22,870 --> 01:02:20,400
thousand light years away and stefan's

1877
01:02:26,870 --> 01:02:22,880
quintet which is a galaxy group 290

1878
01:02:28,549 --> 01:02:26,880
million light years away and smacs 0723

1879
01:02:30,950 --> 01:02:28,559
everyone's favorite a gravitational

1880
01:02:32,950 --> 01:02:30,960
lensing galaxy cluster

1881
01:02:35,750 --> 01:02:32,960
are we getting

1882
01:02:36,950 --> 01:02:35,760
five different images each of those are

1883
01:02:38,950 --> 01:02:36,960
those

1884
01:02:41,349 --> 01:02:38,960
all images that are going to be or all

1885
01:02:43,190 --> 01:02:41,359
locations within the one image

1886
01:02:44,710 --> 01:02:43,200
if you get any idea how that kind of

1887
01:02:46,470 --> 01:02:44,720
breaks down in terms of what we can

1888
01:02:48,470 --> 01:02:46,480
expect because i saw that and i was like

1889
01:02:50,549 --> 01:02:48,480
ah that's that's some incredibly

1890
01:02:52,150 --> 01:02:50,559
different things to be looking at

1891
01:02:53,589 --> 01:02:52,160
yeah so essentially we're going to get a

1892
01:02:55,670 --> 01:02:53,599
bunch of

1893
01:02:57,990 --> 01:02:55,680
cropped and zoomed in images of these

1894
01:02:59,270 --> 01:02:58,000
places so they'll all be separate images

1895
01:03:01,029 --> 01:02:59,280
i would say we're going to get at least

1896
01:03:02,950 --> 01:03:01,039
five based on what they've said and

1897
01:03:05,270 --> 01:03:02,960
they're all very different things so we

1898
01:03:10,309 --> 01:03:05,280
can kind of see essentially what science

1899
01:03:12,069 --> 01:03:10,319
can start being done the smacks smac s

1900
01:03:13,750 --> 01:03:12,079
that one's interesting because they're

1901
01:03:16,630 --> 01:03:13,760
using gravitational lenses to see

1902
01:03:18,549 --> 01:03:16,640
objects that are further than it which

1903
01:03:19,910 --> 01:03:18,559
it's essentially like a magnifying glass

1904
01:03:21,670 --> 01:03:19,920
it's kind of like a magic trick that

1905
01:03:23,109 --> 01:03:21,680
used to see a lot further back into the

1906
01:03:24,230 --> 01:03:23,119
universe and the further we see out the

1907
01:03:26,230 --> 01:03:24,240
further back in time we're kind of

1908
01:03:28,470 --> 01:03:26,240
looking so we can start seeing those you

1909
01:03:30,150 --> 01:03:28,480
know primordial stars and black holes

1910
01:03:31,829 --> 01:03:30,160
that maybe were there at the beginning

1911
01:03:33,589 --> 01:03:31,839
of the universe and understanding a bit

1912
01:03:36,230 --> 01:03:33,599
of where we came from the real

1913
01:03:39,990 --> 01:03:36,240
interesting one is wasp 96b

1914
01:03:41,589 --> 01:03:40,000
which is a spectrum of a planet

1915
01:03:42,950 --> 01:03:41,599
now a lot of people are kind of like oh

1916
01:03:45,670 --> 01:03:42,960
it's a gas giant so there's not going to

1917
01:03:47,589 --> 01:03:45,680
be life i need to be very clear we are

1918
01:03:49,750 --> 01:03:47,599
not going to get pictures of aliens

1919
01:03:52,069 --> 01:03:49,760
mowing their lawns from this telescope

1920
01:03:53,750 --> 01:03:52,079
that's not what this is it's infrared so

1921
01:03:55,990 --> 01:03:53,760
it's looking at a certain wavelength of

1922
01:03:57,829 --> 01:03:56,000
light what we might see

1923
01:04:00,069 --> 01:03:57,839
in this spectrum it's like a an

1924
01:04:02,470 --> 01:04:00,079
atmospheric fingerprint so depending on

1925
01:04:03,990 --> 01:04:02,480
what chemicals are present in the

1926
01:04:05,510 --> 01:04:04,000
atmosphere because different levels of

1927
01:04:07,349 --> 01:04:05,520
different chemicals will block out

1928
01:04:09,270 --> 01:04:07,359
certain parts of the spectrum

1929
01:04:11,510 --> 01:04:09,280
they can see whether there are perhaps

1930
01:04:14,069 --> 01:04:11,520
maybe biological processes taking place

1931
01:04:15,750 --> 01:04:14,079
or in an incredible turn of events if

1932
01:04:17,750 --> 01:04:15,760
there are industrial processes taking

1933
01:04:18,470 --> 01:04:17,760
place with our planet we pollute the air

1934
01:04:19,990 --> 01:04:18,480
so

1935
01:04:21,670 --> 01:04:20,000
if you were using the james webb

1936
01:04:23,589 --> 01:04:21,680
telescope to look at us you'd be able to

1937
01:04:25,270 --> 01:04:23,599
see hold on a second there seems to be

1938
01:04:27,910 --> 01:04:25,280
something producing chemicals that

1939
01:04:30,630 --> 01:04:27,920
shouldn't be there um as you know we're

1940
01:04:32,789 --> 01:04:30,640
comparing it to earth as well so

1941
01:04:34,710 --> 01:04:32,799
we're looking for life as we know it and

1942
01:04:36,470 --> 01:04:34,720
as we know life as we know it is

1943
01:04:37,990 --> 01:04:36,480
broadening every day because we keep

1944
01:04:39,109 --> 01:04:38,000
finding life in places that we thought

1945
01:04:40,630 --> 01:04:39,119
it couldn't be

1946
01:04:42,710 --> 01:04:40,640
so it's going to be real interesting to

1947
01:04:44,870 --> 01:04:42,720
get a first look at an exoplanet's uh

1948
01:04:46,549 --> 01:04:44,880
spectral readout and to start really

1949
01:04:48,230 --> 01:04:46,559
thinking about the science that goes

1950
01:04:50,470 --> 01:04:48,240
behind that we're looking further back

1951
01:04:52,870 --> 01:04:50,480
in time and into the universe

1952
01:04:55,029 --> 01:04:52,880
than ever before and it's just it's

1953
01:04:56,710 --> 01:04:55,039
incredible it's it brings to mind you

1954
01:04:58,470 --> 01:04:56,720
know lou used the word somber to

1955
01:05:00,309 --> 01:04:58,480
describe

1956
01:05:02,150 --> 01:05:00,319
something else but this is going to be a

1957
01:05:05,109 --> 01:05:02,160
real somber moment for me we're looking

1958
01:05:07,670 --> 01:05:05,119
into the abyss and it tends to look back

1959
01:05:09,190 --> 01:05:07,680
um i've seen a few people mention online

1960
01:05:10,630 --> 01:05:09,200
and i know some of you familiar to the

1961
01:05:12,470 --> 01:05:10,640
podcast will have heard us say this

1962
01:05:14,549 --> 01:05:12,480
before but this isn't a piece of

1963
01:05:17,109 --> 01:05:14,559
equipment that is going to find pictures

1964
01:05:18,630 --> 01:05:17,119
of ufos and i've seen someone mention

1965
01:05:21,109 --> 01:05:18,640
that or what if we saw lots of you know

1966
01:05:23,589 --> 01:05:21,119
little objects dotted about that i think

1967
01:05:26,150 --> 01:05:23,599
it'd be fair to say dan the only way we

1968
01:05:28,549 --> 01:05:26,160
would get you know some sort of ufo in

1969
01:05:31,270 --> 01:05:28,559
any of these pictures would be if there

1970
01:05:33,109 --> 01:05:31,280
was something that had sat stationary

1971
01:05:34,309 --> 01:05:33,119
that was probably planet-sized like a

1972
01:05:35,109 --> 01:05:34,319
death star

1973
01:05:36,870 --> 01:05:35,119
and

1974
01:05:38,309 --> 01:05:36,880
you know i hadn't moved for a long long

1975
01:05:40,150 --> 01:05:38,319
time

1976
01:05:41,750 --> 01:05:40,160
it may show up as something on the

1977
01:05:43,270 --> 01:05:41,760
picture but we're not going to be seeing

1978
01:05:44,789 --> 01:05:43,280
flying saucers coming across the screen

1979
01:05:46,870 --> 01:05:44,799
here because it's not how this equipment

1980
01:05:48,950 --> 01:05:46,880
works and it's not what it's looking for

1981
01:05:50,950 --> 01:05:48,960
it's very much like you say finding

1982
01:05:52,549 --> 01:05:50,960
chemical makeup you know changes in

1983
01:05:53,750 --> 01:05:52,559
light and things like that and what

1984
01:05:55,349 --> 01:05:53,760
we're going to get is just a picture of

1985
01:05:57,190 --> 01:05:55,359
the universe so just hopefully in a way

1986
01:05:59,750 --> 01:05:57,200
that what i hope to get from this and

1987
01:06:02,549 --> 01:05:59,760
other people is that again it just

1988
01:06:04,710 --> 01:06:02,559
reminds folks how how big

1989
01:06:06,710 --> 01:06:04,720
which is probably the wrong word to even

1990
01:06:07,990 --> 01:06:06,720
use because infinite it's not even yet

1991
01:06:09,430 --> 01:06:08,000
it's not even big it's infinite and then

1992
01:06:10,950 --> 01:06:09,440
what is infinite you know how can

1993
01:06:13,109 --> 01:06:10,960
something not have an end

1994
01:06:15,190 --> 01:06:13,119
but you know how how huge the universe

1995
01:06:17,430 --> 01:06:15,200
is and what we should and could be

1996
01:06:19,190 --> 01:06:17,440
exploring and again as a little slap

1997
01:06:21,510 --> 01:06:19,200
down to people like neil degrasse tyson

1998
01:06:23,510 --> 01:06:21,520
who has had a wonderful rebuttal from is

1999
01:06:26,150 --> 01:06:23,520
it stephen colbert it is yeah it's

2000
01:06:27,430 --> 01:06:26,160
wonderful yeah that was fantastic if you

2001
01:06:30,150 --> 01:06:27,440
can make a note down for me to put the

2002
01:06:32,390 --> 01:06:30,160
link for that and um he gets his ass

2003
01:06:35,029 --> 01:06:32,400
handed to him by stephen colbert

2004
01:06:36,630 --> 01:06:35,039
um and he hasn't seen asylum before yeah

2005
01:06:37,829 --> 01:06:36,640
he does his laugh his celebrity laugh

2006
01:06:39,670 --> 01:06:37,839
doesn't he when he doesn't know what to

2007
01:06:41,190 --> 01:06:39,680
say but he can't you know it's the

2008
01:06:43,270 --> 01:06:41,200
equivalent of you know when you see an

2009
01:06:45,109 --> 01:06:43,280
award ceremony and you don't win and

2010
01:06:47,589 --> 01:06:45,119
they do the clap like oh yeah the

2011
01:06:50,309 --> 01:06:47,599
smiling clap like joey doesn't friends

2012
01:06:52,470 --> 01:06:50,319
it's that but for an astrophysicist or

2013
01:06:54,069 --> 01:06:52,480
physicist who doesn't know what to say

2014
01:06:55,589 --> 01:06:54,079
because someone's made a point that's

2015
01:06:57,750 --> 01:06:55,599
perfectly correct and they don't like it

2016
01:06:58,630 --> 01:06:57,760
and he just kind of politely laughs it

2017
01:06:59,430 --> 01:06:58,640
off

2018
01:07:00,870 --> 01:06:59,440
um

2019
01:07:02,390 --> 01:07:00,880
and it's kind of heavy low at this point

2020
01:07:04,150 --> 01:07:02,400
right it's just they they're talking

2021
01:07:06,150 --> 01:07:04,160
about um just to explain it for people

2022
01:07:07,430 --> 01:07:06,160
that won't you know have time to go look

2023
01:07:10,069 --> 01:07:07,440
yeah and

2024
01:07:13,109 --> 01:07:10,079
neil uh is explaining that it just went

2025
01:07:14,470 --> 01:07:13,119
around the sun and kind of came back and

2026
01:07:16,390 --> 01:07:14,480
colbert

2027
01:07:18,309 --> 01:07:16,400
rightly says well just because it's

2028
01:07:19,670 --> 01:07:18,319
using gravity and it fell you know i can

2029
01:07:21,190 --> 01:07:19,680
lift this pen and let it go and that's

2030
01:07:23,510 --> 01:07:21,200
using gravity to hit the table but it

2031
01:07:24,470 --> 01:07:23,520
was still like go by an intelligent

2032
01:07:26,549 --> 01:07:24,480
being

2033
01:07:28,470 --> 01:07:26,559
so we need to keep that possibility on

2034
01:07:30,069 --> 01:07:28,480
the table and he's absolutely right and

2035
01:07:31,990 --> 01:07:30,079
until you scratch it off you can't say

2036
01:07:33,910 --> 01:07:32,000
that it's not that and there were a lot

2037
01:07:35,190 --> 01:07:33,920
of peculiar things about um we did other

2038
01:07:37,750 --> 01:07:35,200
shows about them and you spoke to abby

2039
01:07:39,829 --> 01:07:37,760
so i won't go into it but yeah it was a

2040
01:07:42,309 --> 01:07:39,839
really good bit of science communication

2041
01:07:43,670 --> 01:07:42,319
from colbert against who is perhaps one

2042
01:07:46,069 --> 01:07:43,680
of the best science communicators on the

2043
01:07:47,910 --> 01:07:46,079
planet with a closed mind

2044
01:07:49,589 --> 01:07:47,920
absolutely and to finish up dan that's

2045
01:07:51,109 --> 01:07:49,599
kind of bumper breakdown we've covered a

2046
01:07:52,789 --> 01:07:51,119
lot of bases and these will be back to

2047
01:07:54,870 --> 01:07:52,799
being more regular folks apologies for

2048
01:07:57,750 --> 01:07:54,880
the the radio silence the last few weeks

2049
01:08:00,630 --> 01:07:57,760
life gets in the way sometimes um it was

2050
01:08:03,589 --> 01:08:00,640
the roswell 75th anniversary just passed

2051
01:08:05,750 --> 01:08:03,599
on the 8th of july and lots of retweets

2052
01:08:06,950 --> 01:08:05,760
of the famous newspaper front page and

2053
01:08:08,870 --> 01:08:06,960
discussion

2054
01:08:10,309 --> 01:08:08,880
then just just to ask you because we

2055
01:08:12,630 --> 01:08:10,319
have to certainly talk about it it's

2056
01:08:14,789 --> 01:08:12,640
it's one of those first cases if not the

2057
01:08:17,430 --> 01:08:14,799
first case you hear about as a kid um

2058
01:08:20,550 --> 01:08:17,440
getting into the ufo subject what what

2059
01:08:24,709 --> 01:08:20,560
is the place that roswell has in modern

2060
01:08:26,950 --> 01:08:24,719
day ufology or the ufo topic where does

2061
01:08:29,910 --> 01:08:26,960
it set for you now

2062
01:08:31,990 --> 01:08:29,920
it's almost become this

2063
01:08:34,390 --> 01:08:32,000
we we talk about the kenneth arnold

2064
01:08:36,870 --> 01:08:34,400
sighting over mount rainier as the start

2065
01:08:39,189 --> 01:08:36,880
of modern ufology but

2066
01:08:41,030 --> 01:08:39,199
i think that honor belongs to roswell

2067
01:08:43,910 --> 01:08:41,040
now you know it's almost a household

2068
01:08:45,590 --> 01:08:43,920
name of ufo landings and and crashes and

2069
01:08:47,510 --> 01:08:45,600
things like that everybody knows what it

2070
01:08:50,550 --> 01:08:47,520
was and everybody knows that there was a

2071
01:08:52,630 --> 01:08:50,560
bit of message changing and i i think

2072
01:08:54,870 --> 01:08:52,640
it's sad because

2073
01:08:57,349 --> 01:08:54,880
i'm not convinced we'll ever know what

2074
01:08:59,030 --> 01:08:57,359
it was because back then you know you

2075
01:09:01,030 --> 01:08:59,040
had to make a photocopy of paperwork for

2076
01:09:02,709 --> 01:09:01,040
it to exist twice and and that was kind

2077
01:09:05,269 --> 01:09:02,719
of a big ask back then it wasn't as easy

2078
01:09:06,870 --> 01:09:05,279
as now so a lot of documents that would

2079
01:09:09,110 --> 01:09:06,880
maybe confirm

2080
01:09:10,470 --> 01:09:09,120
what we would like them to confirm

2081
01:09:13,829 --> 01:09:10,480
they would have just been shredded or

2082
01:09:16,149 --> 01:09:13,839
set fire to the the people involved are

2083
01:09:18,550 --> 01:09:16,159
probably all passed away now and every

2084
01:09:20,309 --> 01:09:18,560
time they do a a television show to kind

2085
01:09:22,390 --> 01:09:20,319
of go oh yeah you know we're celebrating

2086
01:09:23,829 --> 01:09:22,400
the 75th anniversary of roswell i don't

2087
01:09:25,349 --> 01:09:23,839
know about you but i react with a little

2088
01:09:27,349 --> 01:09:25,359
bit of an eye roll because i'm just like

2089
01:09:28,950 --> 01:09:27,359
what what can you find that's new and

2090
01:09:31,829 --> 01:09:28,960
every time i watch these shows there's

2091
01:09:33,430 --> 01:09:31,839
there's not really anything it's just

2092
01:09:35,349 --> 01:09:33,440
it's just a you know a headline

2093
01:09:37,110 --> 01:09:35,359
retailing then yeah it's a retelling of

2094
01:09:38,630 --> 01:09:37,120
the story and i'm not sure it's getting

2095
01:09:41,269 --> 01:09:38,640
better each time either you know it's

2096
01:09:43,030 --> 01:09:41,279
kind of getting diminishing returns um

2097
01:09:45,110 --> 01:09:43,040
which is why i i'm looking forward to

2098
01:09:47,430 --> 01:09:45,120
nope because it could kind of you know

2099
01:09:49,349 --> 01:09:47,440
summarize a an event like that and

2100
01:09:51,590 --> 01:09:49,359
really make us imagine how strange it

2101
01:09:53,349 --> 01:09:51,600
would have been back then

2102
01:09:55,270 --> 01:09:53,359
yeah roswell for me that the place that

2103
01:09:57,030 --> 01:09:55,280
it has is a fascinating event it's

2104
01:09:59,030 --> 01:09:57,040
kick-started a lot of conversations and

2105
01:10:00,790 --> 01:09:59,040
interests and fascinations for for

2106
01:10:03,030 --> 01:10:00,800
especially young people getting involved

2107
01:10:05,990 --> 01:10:03,040
in the topic in the conversation it's a

2108
01:10:07,750 --> 01:10:06,000
it's a fantastic story and narrative of

2109
01:10:10,149 --> 01:10:07,760
something came from somewhere else

2110
01:10:11,669 --> 01:10:10,159
crashed and there was there were bodies

2111
01:10:13,910 --> 01:10:11,679
retrieved they weren't human you know

2112
01:10:15,590 --> 01:10:13,920
we've got this incredible technology and

2113
01:10:17,510 --> 01:10:15,600
there was a big cover-up

2114
01:10:19,350 --> 01:10:17,520
and and it goes from there and like you

2115
01:10:20,709 --> 01:10:19,360
said and i've said before on the podcast

2116
01:10:22,950 --> 01:10:20,719
that

2117
01:10:24,870 --> 01:10:22,960
so many people involved if not all of

2118
01:10:27,110 --> 01:10:24,880
them are now deceased we now have the

2119
01:10:29,350 --> 01:10:27,120
grandchildren of the people involved who

2120
01:10:31,430 --> 01:10:29,360
are deceased and like you say it's like

2121
01:10:33,510 --> 01:10:31,440
so many of these events that are are

2122
01:10:35,270 --> 01:10:33,520
part of the lore and myth and history of

2123
01:10:37,830 --> 01:10:35,280
the subject which are fantastic and

2124
01:10:40,229 --> 01:10:37,840
should be preserved and kept but

2125
01:10:41,430 --> 01:10:40,239
how many books can you release on and i

2126
01:10:43,430 --> 01:10:41,440
won't name i'm thinking of one

2127
01:10:45,510 --> 01:10:43,440
particular event you know how many books

2128
01:10:48,229 --> 01:10:45,520
can you release on an event that

2129
01:10:49,350 --> 01:10:48,239
happened so long ago and new witnesses

2130
01:10:51,750 --> 01:10:49,360
are still cut and now you're probably

2131
01:10:52,870 --> 01:10:51,760
gonna guess that yeah then new witnesses

2132
01:10:55,430 --> 01:10:52,880
are still

2133
01:10:56,709 --> 01:10:55,440
yeah yeah um ends

2134
01:10:58,630 --> 01:10:56,719
um

2135
01:11:00,310 --> 01:10:58,640
new witnesses are still coming forward

2136
01:11:02,790 --> 01:11:00,320
and you're like what 50 years after the

2137
01:11:04,870 --> 01:11:02,800
event really okay and at that point

2138
01:11:06,470 --> 01:11:04,880
there is a case of you know memory and

2139
01:11:07,910 --> 01:11:06,480
you're not talking about a pilot who saw

2140
01:11:09,669 --> 01:11:07,920
something or even a civilian who saw

2141
01:11:11,430 --> 01:11:09,679
something a couple of years ago you're

2142
01:11:13,590 --> 01:11:11,440
talking about people who in their 20s

2143
01:11:15,270 --> 01:11:13,600
are now in their 70s and 80s and you

2144
01:11:17,110 --> 01:11:15,280
know they've lived a life and i have

2145
01:11:18,470 --> 01:11:17,120
memories as a kid and from even last

2146
01:11:20,790 --> 01:11:18,480
year a couple of years ago that are

2147
01:11:22,870 --> 01:11:20,800
slightly altered just because of time

2148
01:11:25,270 --> 01:11:22,880
you know and that's kind of what happens

2149
01:11:27,669 --> 01:11:25,280
with these and yeah like yourself i

2150
01:11:28,550 --> 01:11:27,679
don't have any great inkling to go and

2151
01:11:30,709 --> 01:11:28,560
watch

2152
01:11:32,630 --> 01:11:30,719
any roswell documentaries now that are

2153
01:11:34,229 --> 01:11:32,640
being made um

2154
01:11:35,669 --> 01:11:34,239
i don't think there's anything new to

2155
01:11:36,870 --> 01:11:35,679
glean from them

2156
01:11:38,229 --> 01:11:36,880
and

2157
01:11:40,470 --> 01:11:38,239
when people talk about you know that

2158
01:11:42,470 --> 01:11:40,480
even the congressional hearings oh let's

2159
01:11:43,990 --> 01:11:42,480
bring up roswell none of the people

2160
01:11:45,590 --> 01:11:44,000
involved in the cover-up are alive

2161
01:11:46,870 --> 01:11:45,600
anymore and like you say that the

2162
01:11:48,070 --> 01:11:46,880
shredding that would have happened back

2163
01:11:50,070 --> 01:11:48,080
then would have been someone writing

2164
01:11:51,750 --> 01:11:50,080
something down and i imagine halfway

2165
01:11:53,510 --> 01:11:51,760
through the door gets open some army

2166
01:11:56,470 --> 01:11:53,520
general walks and takes the paper out

2167
01:11:58,229 --> 01:11:56,480
the hand rips up there and then bends it

2168
01:12:00,149 --> 01:11:58,239
that's it that was if they even wrote

2169
01:12:01,510 --> 01:12:00,159
stuff down right like you know that's

2170
01:12:03,110 --> 01:12:01,520
chalkboards that you could just wipe

2171
01:12:05,110 --> 01:12:03,120
clean you could have conversations but

2172
01:12:06,149 --> 01:12:05,120
you don't even write stuff down yeah

2173
01:12:08,310 --> 01:12:06,159
it's not like now where you could have

2174
01:12:10,870 --> 01:12:08,320
these spy gadgets that are just around

2175
01:12:13,110 --> 01:12:10,880
you know yeah it's too far gone for

2176
01:12:14,790 --> 01:12:13,120
anything new to be credible unless you

2177
01:12:16,870 --> 01:12:14,800
literally had an official government

2178
01:12:19,510 --> 01:12:16,880
document pulled from some vault

2179
01:12:21,270 --> 01:12:19,520
somewhere that said roswell and had a

2180
01:12:23,030 --> 01:12:21,280
load of information on it that's the

2181
01:12:25,750 --> 01:12:23,040
only real way you could take something

2182
01:12:28,229 --> 01:12:25,760
away as being oh there's a document from

2183
01:12:30,790 --> 01:12:28,239
40 or 50 years ago or there's a video

2184
01:12:32,550 --> 01:12:30,800
testimony that was filmed in the 60s

2185
01:12:35,669 --> 01:12:32,560
from someone involved you know like i'm

2186
01:12:37,110 --> 01:12:35,679
a jesse marcel or someone like that so

2187
01:12:38,550 --> 01:12:37,120
and let's be honest as well if that did

2188
01:12:39,669 --> 01:12:38,560
happen and they found a document like

2189
01:12:41,830 --> 01:12:39,679
that

2190
01:12:44,709 --> 01:12:41,840
the community would still tear it apart

2191
01:12:46,550 --> 01:12:44,719
and say yeah right absolutely yeah which

2192
01:12:48,550 --> 01:12:46,560
which is all going to happen so for me

2193
01:12:50,310 --> 01:12:48,560
it's a very romantic story and it was

2194
01:12:51,910 --> 01:12:50,320
one that very much it's worth mentioning

2195
01:12:53,189 --> 01:12:51,920
the anniversary i was going to release a

2196
01:12:55,110 --> 01:12:53,199
short

2197
01:12:57,270 --> 01:12:55,120
episode on the day of the 75th

2198
01:12:58,870 --> 01:12:57,280
anniversary of roswell but i thought i'm

2199
01:13:00,070 --> 01:12:58,880
speaking to dan in a few days anyway for

2200
01:13:02,310 --> 01:13:00,080
the breakdown

2201
01:13:04,709 --> 01:13:02,320
what have i got to add other than a

2202
01:13:06,709 --> 01:13:04,719
story everyone knows again it's like

2203
01:13:08,070 --> 01:13:06,719
remaking the movie the titanic you know

2204
01:13:10,470 --> 01:13:08,080
what else can you put in there that

2205
01:13:11,590 --> 01:13:10,480
actually happened well probably nothing

2206
01:13:13,990 --> 01:13:11,600
you know

2207
01:13:15,910 --> 01:13:14,000
they will the old lady doesn't actually

2208
01:13:17,430 --> 01:13:15,920
exist on that boat probably the only

2209
01:13:19,030 --> 01:13:17,440
thing they could do to make the titanic

2210
01:13:20,709 --> 01:13:19,040
interesting and a remake now would be to

2211
01:13:22,870 --> 01:13:20,719
have it not sync which kind of defeats

2212
01:13:25,510 --> 01:13:22,880
the whole point right yes

2213
01:13:27,350 --> 01:13:25,520
and on that um we are sinking at the end

2214
01:13:28,870 --> 01:13:27,360
of this podcast

2215
01:13:30,390 --> 01:13:28,880
and but what we'll do is very quickly i

2216
01:13:31,430 --> 01:13:30,400
just want you to a few listeners

2217
01:13:33,750 --> 01:13:31,440
thoughts

2218
01:13:36,790 --> 01:13:33,760
on on roswell and sort of what it means

2219
01:13:38,310 --> 01:13:36,800
to them so just bear with me dan while i

2220
01:13:40,709 --> 01:13:38,320
quickly find us and it saves you any

2221
01:13:42,390 --> 01:13:40,719
editing let me just jump in and i'll

2222
01:13:44,790 --> 01:13:42,400
just kind of do i've got two points here

2223
01:13:46,950 --> 01:13:44,800
so australia um the dod has been

2224
01:13:48,390 --> 01:13:46,960
discussing uap internally and they

2225
01:13:50,550 --> 01:13:48,400
prepared a

2226
01:13:52,470 --> 01:13:50,560
eight-page brief paper for the incoming

2227
01:13:54,310 --> 01:13:52,480
chief of the air force grant levack

2228
01:13:56,950 --> 01:13:54,320
bless him on twitter give him a follow

2229
01:13:58,709 --> 01:13:56,960
he he got this through foia and

2230
01:14:01,110 --> 01:13:58,719
again very much they're following the us

2231
01:14:02,630 --> 01:14:01,120
lead but it shows actual official

2232
01:14:03,990 --> 01:14:02,640
interest and in australia we have things

2233
01:14:06,149 --> 01:14:04,000
that like the min min lights and there's

2234
01:14:08,229 --> 01:14:06,159
a lot of indigenous tribe stories that

2235
01:14:09,430 --> 01:14:08,239
involve beings that are not from here so

2236
01:14:11,270 --> 01:14:09,440
that's real interesting that they're

2237
01:14:13,270 --> 01:14:11,280
starting to get the ball moving as well

2238
01:14:15,669 --> 01:14:13,280
and then in japan we have the ufo

2239
01:14:18,709 --> 01:14:15,679
laboratory they did their first yearly

2240
01:14:22,870 --> 01:14:18,719
kind of summary press conference and

2241
01:14:25,590 --> 01:14:22,880
they presented 452 reports 125 images

2242
01:14:28,630 --> 01:14:25,600
and 24 videos that were confirmed in the

2243
01:14:30,229 --> 01:14:28,640
lab analysis to be genuine unknowns they

2244
01:14:32,310 --> 01:14:30,239
couldn't figure them out and they

2245
01:14:34,709 --> 01:14:32,320
actually spoke about plasma a lot at

2246
01:14:36,550 --> 01:14:34,719
their press conference and identified

2247
01:14:39,590 --> 01:14:36,560
areas with maybe quartz in the ground

2248
01:14:41,350 --> 01:14:39,600
that were very kind of hess darling and

2249
01:14:43,430 --> 01:14:41,360
so what you've got

2250
01:14:45,350 --> 01:14:43,440
that mentioned in the the british ufo

2251
01:14:46,870 --> 01:14:45,360
report as well plasmas things like that

2252
01:14:48,790 --> 01:14:46,880
so it's interesting that the

2253
01:14:50,709 --> 01:14:48,800
conversation's starting to really happen

2254
01:14:53,030 --> 01:14:50,719
on an international scale

2255
01:14:55,030 --> 01:14:53,040
and they're finding similar trends in

2256
01:14:58,709 --> 01:14:55,040
these things so yeah it's great

2257
01:15:00,630 --> 01:14:58,719
australia japan canada us brazil like

2258
01:15:02,470 --> 01:15:00,640
it's not in snowball and and i really

2259
01:15:04,550 --> 01:15:02,480
hope that we see some

2260
01:15:06,630 --> 01:15:04,560
lesser-known places you know like india

2261
01:15:09,590 --> 01:15:06,640
and that side of things

2262
01:15:11,110 --> 01:15:09,600
um start talking about the ufo history

2263
01:15:13,750 --> 01:15:11,120
so a few listener points sent to finish

2264
01:15:15,830 --> 01:15:13,760
off uap focus said it's the origin point

2265
01:15:18,390 --> 01:15:15,840
of a mystery which has befuddled so many

2266
01:15:20,550 --> 01:15:18,400
through obfuscation misinformation and

2267
01:15:22,550 --> 01:15:20,560
inadequate data meaning that we are only

2268
01:15:24,550 --> 01:15:22,560
just a little further down the road when

2269
01:15:27,830 --> 01:15:24,560
we should be in the next time zone by

2270
01:15:29,110 --> 01:15:27,840
now at least um danny moleston says as i

2271
01:15:30,709 --> 01:15:29,120
get older i think it could have been

2272
01:15:32,310 --> 01:15:30,719
something mundane that crashed but the

2273
01:15:34,709 --> 01:15:32,320
government went with a flying saucer

2274
01:15:37,590 --> 01:15:34,719
angle to scare our enemies into thinking

2275
01:15:39,669 --> 01:15:37,600
we had alien tech high level chess i

2276
01:15:42,630 --> 01:15:39,679
want it to be something special and

2277
01:15:46,149 --> 01:15:42,640
maybe it was but i'm not tied to it

2278
01:15:47,910 --> 01:15:46,159
uh brett clark said um i should watch

2279
01:15:50,070 --> 01:15:47,920
six days in roswell again if you haven't

2280
01:15:53,990 --> 01:15:50,080
seen it it's a gem and it's from the

2281
01:15:56,550 --> 01:15:54,000
creator of trekkies uh trey commas says

2282
01:15:58,870 --> 01:15:56,560
this was a this was a decision made to

2283
01:16:00,550 --> 01:15:58,880
conceal for an entire generation i hope

2284
01:16:03,110 --> 01:16:00,560
it was the right call as we discover the

2285
01:16:05,750 --> 01:16:03,120
stories on past heroes of american

2286
01:16:07,189 --> 01:16:05,760
secrecy um adonis says to me it's a

2287
01:16:08,470 --> 01:16:07,199
great example of how something quite

2288
01:16:11,189 --> 01:16:08,480
large can come out of something very

2289
01:16:13,350 --> 01:16:11,199
small i.e crashed military balloon leads

2290
01:16:16,709 --> 01:16:13,360
to tourism industry arguments beliefs

2291
01:16:18,149 --> 01:16:16,719
mythology um mike says simply roswell as

2292
01:16:20,310 --> 01:16:18,159
ufology

2293
01:16:23,110 --> 01:16:20,320
um and see skimmer says seems to me

2294
01:16:25,510 --> 01:16:23,120
someone told the truth 75 years ago then

2295
01:16:26,870 --> 01:16:25,520
someone else covered it up

2296
01:16:27,910 --> 01:16:26,880
i like that that would be a good movie

2297
01:16:30,709 --> 01:16:27,920
tagline

2298
01:16:31,669 --> 01:16:30,719
it would someone told the truth

2299
01:16:34,390 --> 01:16:31,679
again

2300
01:16:37,430 --> 01:16:34,400
someone covered it up

2301
01:16:39,189 --> 01:16:37,440
tom delong's remake of close encounters

2302
01:16:41,350 --> 01:16:39,199
on that note folks we'll leave you thank

2303
01:16:43,830 --> 01:16:41,360
you very much for listening uh this week

2304
01:16:46,070 --> 01:16:43,840
coming up you can rent phenomenology

2305
01:16:47,669 --> 01:16:46,080
episode two if you head to the vimeo

2306
01:16:49,110 --> 01:16:47,679
link we'll pop in the description for

2307
01:16:50,709 --> 01:16:49,120
the podcast

2308
01:16:51,990 --> 01:16:50,719
can i read one review out that we got

2309
01:16:53,270 --> 01:16:52,000
just because i was over the movement

2310
01:16:55,270 --> 01:16:53,280
there so i'm gonna do it anyway yeah i

2311
01:16:57,430 --> 01:16:55,280
thought yeah gaz superfly on twitter

2312
01:16:58,470 --> 01:16:57,440
said first episode has me hooked so well

2313
01:17:00,390 --> 01:16:58,480
produced and put together with

2314
01:17:02,310 --> 01:17:00,400
incredible visuals i can't wait to watch

2315
01:17:03,669 --> 01:17:02,320
the rest of the documentary and see what

2316
01:17:05,430 --> 01:17:03,679
you all discovered the signal and

2317
01:17:07,669 --> 01:17:05,440
disclosure team have brought credibility

2318
01:17:09,910 --> 01:17:07,679
back to ufology in an amazing way what

2319
01:17:11,669 --> 01:17:09,920
an incredible review thank you and yeah

2320
01:17:14,229 --> 01:17:11,679
i think that is it all really and they

2321
01:17:15,910 --> 01:17:14,239
never paid for that review

2322
01:17:18,310 --> 01:17:15,920
and the the coming days you're going to

2323
01:17:20,709 --> 01:17:18,320
hear uh george knapp and colm kelleher

2324
01:17:22,070 --> 01:17:20,719
review the year so far in part one and

2325
01:17:24,390 --> 01:17:22,080
part two those will be released over a

2326
01:17:26,229 --> 01:17:24,400
couple of days folks not too far apart

2327
01:17:28,070 --> 01:17:26,239
really interesting fun conversation the

2328
01:17:31,110 --> 01:17:28,080
full things available early access and

2329
01:17:32,950 --> 01:17:31,120
ad free on patreon apple youtube and any

2330
01:17:35,110 --> 01:17:32,960
other kind of premium platform so thank

2331
01:17:37,030 --> 01:17:35,120
you if you subscribe to any of those

2332
01:17:39,189 --> 01:17:37,040
um then i've recorded with john

2333
01:17:41,510 --> 01:17:39,199
alexander that was rescheduled that one

2334
01:17:43,669 --> 01:17:41,520
will be available next week early access

2335
01:17:45,669 --> 01:17:43,679
to be released the following week and

2336
01:17:47,430 --> 01:17:45,679
this week i've got robin hansen on the

2337
01:17:49,270 --> 01:17:47,440
podcast that'll be out the week after

2338
01:17:50,630 --> 01:17:49,280
that gonna be awesome yeah i'm looking

2339
01:17:51,990 --> 01:17:50,640
forward to that one that was another one

2340
01:17:54,229 --> 01:17:52,000
that had to be rescheduled it's been a

2341
01:17:55,830 --> 01:17:54,239
funny couple of weeks um but we're

2342
01:17:58,229 --> 01:17:55,840
pretty much ahead with things and i

2343
01:18:00,229 --> 01:17:58,239
should also say that when people hear

2344
01:18:01,990 --> 01:18:00,239
you talk to robin hansen

2345
01:18:03,590 --> 01:18:02,000
any questions that you have sent them in

2346
01:18:05,189 --> 01:18:03,600
because i've scheduled him for a

2347
01:18:06,709 --> 01:18:05,199
coloring outside the lines episode in a

2348
01:18:09,270 --> 01:18:06,719
few months so we can get a bit nerdy if

2349
01:18:11,270 --> 01:18:09,280
you want to in that one so yeah let's

2350
01:18:13,990 --> 01:18:11,280
see how they piggyback absolutely do

2351
01:18:15,590 --> 01:18:14,000
that folks absolutely and um jeremy

2352
01:18:17,270 --> 01:18:15,600
corbell should be back on in a few weeks

2353
01:18:18,870 --> 01:18:17,280
as a follow-up to that year in review

2354
01:18:20,950 --> 01:18:18,880
episode and we'll be covering some of

2355
01:18:23,510 --> 01:18:20,960
those points may uh covered with george

2356
01:18:26,390 --> 01:18:23,520
and colm but some other stuff as well

2357
01:18:28,310 --> 01:18:26,400
uh and dan we're going to review

2358
01:18:31,110 --> 01:18:28,320
documentary this month did we decide on

2359
01:18:32,390 --> 01:18:31,120
out of the blue i think we did yeah yeah

2360
01:18:34,470 --> 01:18:32,400
out of the blue

2361
01:18:36,550 --> 01:18:34,480
james fox classic effort we're going to

2362
01:18:37,830 --> 01:18:36,560
do that one and then i think already i

2363
01:18:40,630 --> 01:18:37,840
know in august we're going to do the

2364
01:18:41,990 --> 01:18:40,640
dorothy isaac one as well because quite

2365
01:18:43,750 --> 01:18:42,000
a few people have asked us to look at

2366
01:18:45,990 --> 01:18:43,760
that so yeah this month we'll look at

2367
01:18:47,510 --> 01:18:46,000
the out of the blue but james fox so any

2368
01:18:49,910 --> 01:18:47,520
questions you have or any thoughts or

2369
01:18:51,750 --> 01:18:49,920
opinions on that documentary go watch it

2370
01:18:52,950 --> 01:18:51,760
ahead of time or wait till we review it

2371
01:18:55,590 --> 01:18:52,960
and then you can you can watch

2372
01:18:57,110 --> 01:18:55,600
afterwards as well but uh yeah lots more

2373
01:18:59,350 --> 01:18:57,120
to come this month so thank you very

2374
01:19:01,430 --> 01:18:59,360
much and just one ask for me if you've

2375
01:19:03,669 --> 01:19:01,440
made it this far into the podcast if

2376
01:19:05,750 --> 01:19:03,679
you're having any issues listening on

2377
01:19:07,270 --> 01:19:05,760
any platforms let me know just cause

2378
01:19:09,350 --> 01:19:07,280
some changes i've made with techy stuff

2379
01:19:11,110 --> 01:19:09,360
in the background and apparently it

2380
01:19:13,750 --> 01:19:11,120
might look like some of you on google

2381
01:19:15,750 --> 01:19:13,760
podcasts are having some issues with

2382
01:19:17,510 --> 01:19:15,760
your feed you might have to refresh it

2383
01:19:18,870 --> 01:19:17,520
and but i'll let you know i'll chase

2384
01:19:20,390 --> 01:19:18,880
that one up folks but yeah a couple of

2385
01:19:22,550 --> 01:19:20,400
people have mentioned google podcast

2386
01:19:26,149 --> 01:19:22,560
having a couple of issues but everyone

2387
01:19:27,830 --> 01:19:26,159
else seems okay so far so yeah so dan

2388
01:19:29,590 --> 01:19:27,840
thank you very much and we'll speak to

2389
01:19:31,030 --> 01:19:29,600
everyone else soon

2390
01:19:32,630 --> 01:19:31,040
greetings ladies and gentlemen and

2391
01:19:33,830 --> 01:19:32,640
esteemed members of the government of

2392
01:19:35,750 --> 01:19:33,840
brazil

2393
01:19:37,590 --> 01:19:35,760
i apologize for not being able to make

2394
01:19:40,149 --> 01:19:37,600
this address in person and i hope that

2395
01:19:42,390 --> 01:19:40,159
my appeal is not diminished in any way

2396
01:19:44,070 --> 01:19:42,400
due to my inability to be with you today

2397
01:19:46,149 --> 01:19:44,080
in person

2398
01:19:47,750 --> 01:19:46,159
my name is luis elizondo and i'm a

2399
01:19:49,590 --> 01:19:47,760
career intelligence officer with the

2400
01:19:52,870 --> 01:19:49,600
united states government

2401
01:19:55,030 --> 01:19:52,880
from 2008 to 2017 i had the privilege to

2402
01:19:57,430 --> 01:19:55,040
participate in a small but significant

2403
01:20:00,630 --> 01:19:57,440
program within the pentagon

2404
01:20:02,870 --> 01:20:00,640
focusing on the collection of ufo data

2405
01:20:04,550 --> 01:20:02,880
in 2010 i was asked to lead the overall

2406
01:20:06,470 --> 01:20:04,560
effort which later became a small

2407
01:20:09,430 --> 01:20:06,480
footnote to my country's history

2408
01:20:11,189 --> 01:20:09,440
involving the dedicated study of this

2409
01:20:12,870 --> 01:20:11,199
phenomenon

2410
01:20:14,470 --> 01:20:12,880
it was during this time that it became

2411
01:20:16,310 --> 01:20:14,480
very evident to all of us involved in

2412
01:20:18,629 --> 01:20:16,320
the project that our military was

2413
01:20:21,110 --> 01:20:18,639
encountering a technology that far

2414
01:20:23,110 --> 01:20:21,120
exceeded our own capabilities

2415
01:20:25,189 --> 01:20:23,120
furthermore it was abundantly clear that

2416
01:20:27,510 --> 01:20:25,199
this technology had the ability to gain

2417
01:20:29,910 --> 01:20:27,520
access to our controlled airspace and

2418
01:20:33,270 --> 01:20:29,920
once more perform in ways that was

2419
01:20:35,030 --> 01:20:33,280
unimaginable and yet verifiable by some

2420
01:20:36,149 --> 01:20:35,040
of our most sophisticated weapon

2421
01:20:38,950 --> 01:20:36,159
platforms

2422
01:20:41,030 --> 01:20:38,960
and data collection techniques

2423
01:20:42,870 --> 01:20:41,040
on a regular routine basis our military

2424
01:20:44,550 --> 01:20:42,880
equities were coming face to face with

2425
01:20:47,110 --> 01:20:44,560
these technologies

2426
01:20:49,510 --> 01:20:47,120
perplexing our military eyewitnesses and

2427
01:20:52,070 --> 01:20:49,520
stymieing our best efforts to understand

2428
01:20:54,470 --> 01:20:52,080
the unique performance characteristics

2429
01:20:56,470 --> 01:20:54,480
furthermore of critical concern was the

2430
01:20:58,709 --> 01:20:56,480
apparent interest this phenomenon has

2431
01:21:01,270 --> 01:20:58,719
with our nuclear technologies including

2432
01:21:03,030 --> 01:21:01,280
power generation weapon systems and

2433
01:21:05,350 --> 01:21:03,040
propulsion

2434
01:21:06,950 --> 01:21:05,360
recently elected officials in my country

2435
01:21:08,550 --> 01:21:06,960
have decided the evidence was too

2436
01:21:09,990 --> 01:21:08,560
overwhelming to ignore

2437
01:21:12,149 --> 01:21:10,000
and called upon our defense and

2438
01:21:14,950 --> 01:21:12,159
intelligence communities to participate

2439
01:21:16,870 --> 01:21:14,960
in a public hearing of which i suspect

2440
01:21:18,629 --> 01:21:16,880
many more will follow

2441
01:21:20,310 --> 01:21:18,639
the result of the hearing was simple and

2442
01:21:21,350 --> 01:21:20,320
yet astonishing

2443
01:21:23,350 --> 01:21:21,360
one

2444
01:21:24,229 --> 01:21:23,360
ufo's are real

2445
01:21:26,950 --> 01:21:24,239
two

2446
01:21:29,590 --> 01:21:26,960
ufos most likely represent a real

2447
01:21:32,229 --> 01:21:29,600
technology and three

2448
01:21:35,430 --> 01:21:32,239
ufos are considered a national interest

2449
01:21:39,430 --> 01:21:37,910
further reinforcing this new priority is

2450
01:21:41,270 --> 01:21:39,440
a requirement for our defense and

2451
01:21:43,750 --> 01:21:41,280
intelligence communities to work with

2452
01:21:45,510 --> 01:21:43,760
partner nations and allies

2453
01:21:47,750 --> 01:21:45,520
although i applaud this new renewed

2454
01:21:49,110 --> 01:21:47,760
interest in a historically forbidden

2455
01:21:51,270 --> 01:21:49,120
area of study

2456
01:21:54,070 --> 01:21:51,280
it is with great concern that i worry

2457
01:21:56,709 --> 01:21:54,080
about any single country having monopoly

2458
01:21:59,270 --> 01:21:56,719
on the study of what is now considered

2459
01:22:00,310 --> 01:21:59,280
beyond next generation technology and by

2460
01:22:02,709 --> 01:22:00,320
default

2461
01:22:05,510 --> 01:22:02,719
controlling the narrative on this topic

2462
01:22:07,510 --> 01:22:05,520
this is precisely the mindset that has

2463
01:22:10,149 --> 01:22:07,520
relegated this legitimate study of this

2464
01:22:12,229 --> 01:22:10,159
topic to fringe and pseudoscience for

2465
01:22:13,669 --> 01:22:12,239
the last 70 years

2466
01:22:15,510 --> 01:22:13,679
ladies and gentlemen

2467
01:22:17,350 --> 01:22:15,520
today i speak to you not as a former

2468
01:22:19,270 --> 01:22:17,360
intelligence officer

2469
01:22:20,310 --> 01:22:19,280
not as a representative of the u.s

2470
01:22:22,550 --> 01:22:20,320
government

2471
01:22:24,870 --> 01:22:22,560
and not as a ufo expert

2472
01:22:26,390 --> 01:22:24,880
today i appeal to you as an ordinary

2473
01:22:27,750 --> 01:22:26,400
citizen of the world

2474
01:22:29,030 --> 01:22:27,760
as your brother

2475
01:22:30,950 --> 01:22:29,040
your father

2476
01:22:33,750 --> 01:22:30,960
your son

2477
01:22:35,910 --> 01:22:33,760
pleading you take this topic seriously

2478
01:22:38,390 --> 01:22:35,920
and to do what is necessary

2479
01:22:40,470 --> 01:22:38,400
not just for your constituents but for

2480
01:22:43,270 --> 01:22:40,480
every person on the planet

2481
01:22:47,030 --> 01:22:43,280
today you have a rare opportunity that

2482
01:22:49,189 --> 01:22:47,040
comes only once in a lifetime

2483
01:22:50,870 --> 01:22:49,199
today i ask you seriously consider the

2484
01:22:53,669 --> 01:22:50,880
establishment of a brazilian

2485
01:22:56,629 --> 01:22:53,679
government-sponsored ufo program

2486
01:22:58,709 --> 01:22:56,639
that includes scientists and academics

2487
01:23:00,470 --> 01:22:58,719
the time has come to remove conspiracy

2488
01:23:01,590 --> 01:23:00,480
theory and replace it with quantum

2489
01:23:03,750 --> 01:23:01,600
theory

2490
01:23:05,110 --> 01:23:03,760
remove stigma and replace it with

2491
01:23:06,550 --> 01:23:05,120
academia

2492
01:23:09,350 --> 01:23:06,560
remove secrecy

2493
01:23:11,590 --> 01:23:09,360
and replace it with transparency

2494
01:23:13,590 --> 01:23:11,600
i ask that brazil help lead the world in

2495
01:23:15,030 --> 01:23:13,600
a new millennium of enlightenment and

2496
01:23:17,430 --> 01:23:15,040
knowledge

2497
01:23:18,790 --> 01:23:17,440
i dream that one day brazil may sit

2498
01:23:21,030 --> 01:23:18,800
amongst friends

2499
01:23:22,790 --> 01:23:21,040
perhaps at the united nations or perhaps

2500
01:23:24,870 --> 01:23:22,800
even in san marino

2501
01:23:27,189 --> 01:23:24,880
and help usher in a new era of

2502
01:23:28,629 --> 01:23:27,199
understanding

2503
01:23:30,470 --> 01:23:28,639
before i close i'd like to share a

2504
01:23:32,550 --> 01:23:30,480
little little personal thought if i may

2505
01:23:34,709 --> 01:23:32,560
with you

2506
01:23:38,709 --> 01:23:34,719
you are in a very rare opportunity right

2507
01:23:41,189 --> 01:23:38,719
now as as leaders for for brazil

2508
01:23:43,910 --> 01:23:41,199
um times and opportunities like this do

2509
01:23:45,750 --> 01:23:43,920
not happen very often in fact in a in a

2510
01:23:47,830 --> 01:23:45,760
one person's lifetime they don't they

2511
01:23:51,350 --> 01:23:47,840
they may not happen at all but as a

2512
01:23:52,950 --> 01:23:51,360
species as a species these paradigm

2513
01:23:55,270 --> 01:23:52,960
moments for us

2514
01:23:57,510 --> 01:23:55,280
occur and in fact are a natural part of

2515
01:23:59,430 --> 01:23:57,520
our species evolution

2516
01:24:01,350 --> 01:23:59,440
one may infer the very first time that

2517
01:24:03,669 --> 01:24:01,360
man came out of the cave and looked into

2518
01:24:06,950 --> 01:24:03,679
the heavens and realized that the

2519
01:24:09,110 --> 01:24:06,960
shadows that were were being portrayed

2520
01:24:11,110 --> 01:24:09,120
on the side of the cave wall were no

2521
01:24:13,350 --> 01:24:11,120
longer real that wasn't that wasn't

2522
01:24:14,709 --> 01:24:13,360
mankind's reality and crawling out of

2523
01:24:16,709 --> 01:24:14,719
the cave for the first time and

2524
01:24:18,470 --> 01:24:16,719
witnessing the heavens maybe that was

2525
01:24:19,910 --> 01:24:18,480
the first fundamental paradigm change

2526
01:24:22,070 --> 01:24:19,920
for our species

2527
01:24:24,149 --> 01:24:22,080
perhaps the second time was when mankind

2528
01:24:26,790 --> 01:24:24,159
struck two stones together

2529
01:24:29,590 --> 01:24:26,800
and created a spark and that spark then

2530
01:24:31,669 --> 01:24:29,600
led to fire and that fire illuminated

2531
01:24:32,709 --> 01:24:31,679
the darkness for which man was scared at

2532
01:24:35,189 --> 01:24:32,719
one time

2533
01:24:37,430 --> 01:24:35,199
and now man could could now

2534
01:24:38,629 --> 01:24:37,440
roam freely in the night illuminating

2535
01:24:40,709 --> 01:24:38,639
the darkness

2536
01:24:41,510 --> 01:24:40,719
and perhaps the last time mankind came

2537
01:24:43,430 --> 01:24:41,520
to

2538
01:24:45,030 --> 01:24:43,440
some sort of paradigm moment like this

2539
01:24:47,910 --> 01:24:45,040
for our species

2540
01:24:49,189 --> 01:24:47,920
was when two people were standing on a

2541
01:24:51,270 --> 01:24:49,199
sandy beach

2542
01:24:53,990 --> 01:24:51,280
and one person looks to the other and

2543
01:24:55,910 --> 01:24:54,000
says i'm gonna sail over that horizon

2544
01:24:57,270 --> 01:24:55,920
and of course the other person said no

2545
01:24:59,270 --> 01:24:57,280
you don't want to do that because you'll

2546
01:25:01,030 --> 01:24:59,280
fall off the earth and in fact there are

2547
01:25:03,510 --> 01:25:01,040
sea monsters out there there's giant

2548
01:25:05,030 --> 01:25:03,520
kraken and they will destroy your ship

2549
01:25:06,870 --> 01:25:05,040
and of course now we look back and we

2550
01:25:08,709 --> 01:25:06,880
kind of laugh at that but in reality it

2551
01:25:10,310 --> 01:25:08,719
turns out there are sea monsters it's

2552
01:25:12,470 --> 01:25:10,320
just that those scene monsters now have

2553
01:25:13,669 --> 01:25:12,480
names they're called great white sharks

2554
01:25:15,590 --> 01:25:13,679
they're called blue whales they're

2555
01:25:17,189 --> 01:25:15,600
called great squid of the pacific and

2556
01:25:19,350 --> 01:25:17,199
and they're not really sea monsters are

2557
01:25:21,030 --> 01:25:19,360
they they're they're part of our natural

2558
01:25:23,750 --> 01:25:21,040
world they're part of nature they're

2559
01:25:25,430 --> 01:25:23,760
part of our our current paradigm

2560
01:25:27,590 --> 01:25:25,440
and so perhaps

2561
01:25:29,990 --> 01:25:27,600
with this topic this is yet just another

2562
01:25:31,990 --> 01:25:30,000
paradigm moment perhaps we as a species

2563
01:25:32,629 --> 01:25:32,000
are standing yet on another sandy beach

2564
01:25:34,470 --> 01:25:32,639
and

2565
01:25:36,790 --> 01:25:34,480
we're looking at the horizon one more

2566
01:25:39,430 --> 01:25:36,800
time and we're about to sail over that

2567
01:25:40,390 --> 01:25:39,440
horizon together i would submit to you

2568
01:25:42,550 --> 01:25:40,400
that that

2569
01:25:45,110 --> 01:25:42,560
change is a very necessary and very

2570
01:25:47,189 --> 01:25:45,120
healthy part of our species evolution

2571
01:25:49,189 --> 01:25:47,199
and i believe we may be at the precipice

2572
01:25:51,910 --> 01:25:49,199
yet again of another paradigm moment for

2573
01:25:54,550 --> 01:25:53,030
in closing

2574
01:25:55,990 --> 01:25:54,560
i'd like to thank you for allowing me to

2575
01:25:58,550 --> 01:25:56,000
speak with you today

2576
01:26:00,950 --> 01:25:58,560
and thank you truly and humbly for your

2577
01:26:02,550 --> 01:26:00,960
attention to this most important matter

2578
01:26:04,470 --> 01:26:02,560
again please forgive me for not being

2579
01:26:07,669 --> 01:26:04,480
here in person but i am here with you in

2580
01:26:08,709 --> 01:26:07,679
spirit and i i sincerely hope that

2581
01:26:14,390 --> 01:26:08,719
that

2582
01:26:16,070 --> 01:26:14,400
propel this topic forward

2583
01:26:17,669 --> 01:26:16,080
please make no mistake you are on the

2584
01:26:19,110 --> 01:26:17,679
right side of history with this

2585
01:26:21,030 --> 01:26:19,120
conversation

2586
01:26:23,110 --> 01:26:21,040
thank you and god bless

2587
01:26:25,030 --> 01:26:23,120
that is all for this week's show thank

2588
01:26:27,270 --> 01:26:25,040
you very much for listening please

2589
01:26:29,750 --> 01:26:27,280
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2590
01:26:32,070 --> 01:26:29,760
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2591
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2595
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2599
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2600
01:26:56,400 --> 01:26:53,920
always keep looking up you never know

2601
01:27:10,870 --> 01:26:56,410
what you might see

2602
01:27:10,880 --> 01:27:47,669
alice

2603
01:27:47,679 --> 01:28:11,710
uh

2604
01:28:11,720 --> 01:28:16,390
[Music]

2605
01:28:16,400 --> 01:28:20,460
you and me

2606
01:28:20,470 --> 01:28:31,510
[Music]

2607
01:28:31,520 --> 01:28:41,330
foreign

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01:29:25,570 --> 01:28:48,870
[Music]

2609
01:29:41,590 --> 01:29:25,580
you

2610
01:29:41,600 --> 01:29:51,160
so